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Production is moving from China to here. Production here is much cleaner. Of course China lies about its pollution numbers. Why wouldn’t they? They heavily exag

Production is moving from China to here. Production here is much cleaner. Of course China lies about its pollution numbers. Why wouldn’t they? They heavily exaggerate about the GDP numbers. In Congress the Natural Resources Committee has also shown pretty conclusively that China has paid off the large environmental groups in the US to not speak of / address situation in China.

shard972 8y ago
To the people downvoting this, what else are we to believe in regards to CFC emissions apparently being illegal for quite a few years now, but yet we are seeing CFC emissions rise specifically in east Asia https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2018/12/industrial-chloroform-emissions-are-rising-and-thats-bad-news/ https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2018/12/industrial-chloroform-emi... If they lie about CFC emissions, why on earth would they be truthful about carbon dioxide?
- toufiqbarhamov 8y ago
  At a guess, the reaction might be down to the fact that the article talks specifically about a rise in U.S. carbon pollution, and the person you’re responding to pivoted to China.
woodandsteel 8y ago
So are you saying that Trump is correct that (anthropgenic) global climate change is a hoax invented by the Chinese to undermine the US?
- AnimalMuppet 8y ago
  No, that is not at all what Bucephalus355 is saying. Rather, the hoax is China's pollution being as low as is claimed.
  - woodandsteel 8y ago
    I don't know what the heck you are talking about. I have read countless articles in the mainstream media and environmental sites, and none of them say pollution in China is low. What they all say is that for decades pollution increased radically in China, but then about 5 years ago the government decided to take on the long, difficult task of trying to eliminate it. And since then major steps have been taken, and there have been some big improvements, like the air quality in Beijing, but that there is still a very long way yet to go. But now let me ask you this. You seem to be implying that you don't believe that anthropogenic global climate change is a hoax by the Chinese. If I am reading you correctly, then are you angry at Trump for claiming it is?

shard972 8y ago

To the people downvoting this, what else are we to believe in regards to CFC emissions apparently being illegal for quite a few years now, but yet we are seeing CFC emissions rise specifically in east Asia https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2018/12/industrial-chloroform-emissions-are-rising-and-thats-bad-news/ https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2018/12/industrial-chloroform-emi... If they lie about CFC emissions, why on earth would they be truthful about carbon dioxide?

toufiqbarhamov 8y ago
At a guess, the reaction might be down to the fact that the article talks specifically about a rise in U.S. carbon pollution, and the person you’re responding to pivoted to China.

woodandsteel 8y ago

So are you saying that Trump is correct that (anthropgenic) global climate change is a hoax invented by the Chinese to undermine the US?

AnimalMuppet 8y ago
No, that is not at all what Bucephalus355 is saying. Rather, the hoax is China's pollution being as low as is claimed.
- woodandsteel 8y ago
  I don't know what the heck you are talking about. I have read countless articles in the mainstream media and environmental sites, and none of them say pollution in China is low. What they all say is that for decades pollution increased radically in China, but then about 5 years ago the government decided to take on the long, difficult task of trying to eliminate it. And since then major steps have been taken, and there have been some big improvements, like the air quality in Beijing, but that there is still a very long way yet to go. But now let me ask you this. You seem to be implying that you don't believe that anthropogenic global climate change is a hoax by the Chinese. If I am reading you correctly, then are you angry at Trump for claiming it is?