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These burgers are not a suitable nutritional replacement for beef. Beef contains cholesterol, zero carbs, and has a different vitamin/mineral profile. This stu

by nonbel 8y ago

These burgers are not a suitable nutritional replacement for beef. Beef contains cholesterol, zero carbs, and has a different vitamin/mineral profile. This stuff has no cholesterol and (a small amount of) carbs while also containing way more salt, thiamine (vitamin B1), and folate (vitamin B9): https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/beef-products/6205/2 https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/beef-products/6205/2 http://livablefutureblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/impossburger-nutritfacts-copy.jpg http://livablefutureblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/impo... FYI, both folate and thiamine over-consumption may be linked to cancer: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29529163 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29529163 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4178204/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4178204/ So while it is fine for people to eat it for "pleasure", it may be dangerous to trick the mind into thinking it is consuming a real burger.

robotbikes 8y ago
That is interesting but I don't think that it would be healthy for people to eat beef burgers as their primary source of nutrition either. What annoys me about the fake meat is that in the dystopian future soymeat was supposed to be everywhere and cheaper where real meat was a sought after expensive delicacy but due to government subsidies and hding the costs of environmental externalities real meat remains much cheaper than the fake meats in general. Just saying.
- rjplatte 8y ago
  Nobody's saying that beef burgers are a good primary source of nutrition, but this product can't replace beef.
- nonbel 8y ago
  The economics/politics of it is a different issue. I am concerned about the danger of tricking people's minds into thinking the body has consumed something with nutritional value other than it really has. Humans have been consuming beef for a long time.
  - saagarjha 8y ago
    > I am concerned about the danger of tricking people's minds into thinking the body has consumed something with nutritional value other than it really has. I think you're overreacting here. Impossible Burgers are slightly different, nutritionally speaking, from regular burgers, but it's not like one is 100% carbohydrates and the other is pure protein. They're relatively similar.
- brandonjm 8y ago
  If humans were forced to start eating "dystopian future soymeat" and stop eating meat, I'm sure it would become far cheaper as it becomes more readily available. As it stands currently, most humans do eat meat so it is cheaper than a heavily researched niche alternative which has taken years to become remotely comparable to real meat.
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devmunchies 8y ago
>MAY be linked to cancer (emphasis mine) Yeah but processed meat IS linked to cancer. https://www.cfs.gov.hk/english/multimedia/multimedia_pub/multimedia_pub_fsf_114_02.html https://www.cfs.gov.hk/english/multimedia/multimedia_pub/mul... And last I checked, most Americans have a problem with high cholesterol, not low cholesterol. Americans eat too much meat.
- nonbel 8y ago
  By "may", I meant "is" according to your definition. I am just skeptical of the standard process medical researchers use to determine this stuff (NHST), so used the term "may" as I would regarding anything else.
- xfitm3 8y ago
  Is ground beef considered processed meat?
  - scoot 8y ago
    No it isn't [1]. But both processed meat and excessive consumption red meats have been linked to cancer in some studies [2]. This has also been refuted. [3] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Processed_meat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Processed_meat [2] https://progressreport.cancer.gov/prevention/red_meat https://progressreport.cancer.gov/prevention/red_meat [3] http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/meat-and-cancer/ http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/meat-and-cancer/ Google "meat cancer" for alternative sources.
    - devmunchies 8y ago
      you're 3rd link comes from a person who is so anti-plants its laughable. Almost all of her posts are pro-meat. It seems her livelihood now depends on it. https://twitter.com/GeorgiaEdeMD/status/1011204721598660608 https://twitter.com/GeorgiaEdeMD/status/1011204721598660608
      - scoot 8y ago
shafyy 8y ago
Why do you make it sound like people need to eat beef to have healthy diet?
- nonbel 8y ago
  Who said that? If beef is part of your healthy diet though, you shouldn't assume you can just swap out a normal burger for an impossible burger. But my main concern is the aspect of "tricking" the brain into thinking it is consuming beef by mimicking the texture and taste (which is their goal) but instead consuming something with different nutritional value. Just seems like it could be dangerous is all.
  - saagarjha 8y ago
    > But my main concern is the aspect of "tricking" the brain into thinking it is consuming beef by mimicking the texture and taste (which is their goal) but instead consuming something with different nutritional value. Does the "brain" (which I am specifically using in a biological sense, because it seems like that's what you meant instead of "people in general") actually care about texture and taste when consuming food? I don't see how this could be dangerous, except if people somehow eat a dozen of these and nothing else and somehow the brain "thinks" it's gotten nutrients that it hasn't.
    - nonbel 8y ago
      >"Does the "brain" (which I am specifically using in a biological sense, because it seems like that's what you meant instead of "people in general") actually care about texture and taste when consuming food?" Yes... haven't you ever eaten food and liked/disliked the texture/taste based on what you expected? >"I don't see how this could be dangerous, except if people somehow eat a dozen of these and nothing else and somehow the brain "thinks" it's gotten nutrients that it hasn't." No one thought making grains (carbs) the basis for a diet would be dangerous but now we have an obesity epidemic because people don't feel full after consuming sufficient calories for their needs. Consuming too much or too little is entirely a "brain" (of course various hormones, etc that lead to cravings are involved) problem. If you feel full at the appropriate time you will never over-consume.

by nonbel 8y ago

robotbikes 8y ago

That is interesting but I don't think that it would be healthy for people to eat beef burgers as their primary source of nutrition either. What annoys me about the fake meat is that in the dystopian future soymeat was supposed to be everywhere and cheaper where real meat was a sought after expensive delicacy but due to government subsidies and hding the costs of environmental externalities real meat remains much cheaper than the fake meats in general. Just saying.

rjplatte 8y ago
Nobody's saying that beef burgers are a good primary source of nutrition, but this product can't replace beef.
nonbel 8y ago
The economics/politics of it is a different issue. I am concerned about the danger of tricking people's minds into thinking the body has consumed something with nutritional value other than it really has. Humans have been consuming beef for a long time.
- saagarjha 8y ago
  > I am concerned about the danger of tricking people's minds into thinking the body has consumed something with nutritional value other than it really has. I think you're overreacting here. Impossible Burgers are slightly different, nutritionally speaking, from regular burgers, but it's not like one is 100% carbohydrates and the other is pure protein. They're relatively similar.
brandonjm 8y ago
If humans were forced to start eating "dystopian future soymeat" and stop eating meat, I'm sure it would become far cheaper as it becomes more readily available. As it stands currently, most humans do eat meat so it is cheaper than a heavily researched niche alternative which has taken years to become remotely comparable to real meat.

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devmunchies 8y ago

>MAY be linked to cancer (emphasis mine) Yeah but processed meat IS linked to cancer. https://www.cfs.gov.hk/english/multimedia/multimedia_pub/multimedia_pub_fsf_114_02.html https://www.cfs.gov.hk/english/multimedia/multimedia_pub/mul... And last I checked, most Americans have a problem with high cholesterol, not low cholesterol. Americans eat too much meat.

nonbel 8y ago
By "may", I meant "is" according to your definition. I am just skeptical of the standard process medical researchers use to determine this stuff (NHST), so used the term "may" as I would regarding anything else.
xfitm3 8y ago
Is ground beef considered processed meat?
- scoot 8y ago
  No it isn't [1]. But both processed meat and excessive consumption red meats have been linked to cancer in some studies [2]. This has also been refuted. [3] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Processed_meat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Processed_meat [2] https://progressreport.cancer.gov/prevention/red_meat https://progressreport.cancer.gov/prevention/red_meat [3] http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/meat-and-cancer/ http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/meat-and-cancer/ Google "meat cancer" for alternative sources.
  - devmunchies 8y ago
    you're 3rd link comes from a person who is so anti-plants its laughable. Almost all of her posts are pro-meat. It seems her livelihood now depends on it. https://twitter.com/GeorgiaEdeMD/status/1011204721598660608 https://twitter.com/GeorgiaEdeMD/status/1011204721598660608
    - scoot 8y ago

shafyy 8y ago

Why do you make it sound like people need to eat beef to have healthy diet?

nonbel 8y ago
Who said that? If beef is part of your healthy diet though, you shouldn't assume you can just swap out a normal burger for an impossible burger. But my main concern is the aspect of "tricking" the brain into thinking it is consuming beef by mimicking the texture and taste (which is their goal) but instead consuming something with different nutritional value. Just seems like it could be dangerous is all.
- saagarjha 8y ago
  > But my main concern is the aspect of "tricking" the brain into thinking it is consuming beef by mimicking the texture and taste (which is their goal) but instead consuming something with different nutritional value. Does the "brain" (which I am specifically using in a biological sense, because it seems like that's what you meant instead of "people in general") actually care about texture and taste when consuming food? I don't see how this could be dangerous, except if people somehow eat a dozen of these and nothing else and somehow the brain "thinks" it's gotten nutrients that it hasn't.
  - nonbel 8y ago
    >"Does the "brain" (which I am specifically using in a biological sense, because it seems like that's what you meant instead of "people in general") actually care about texture and taste when consuming food?" Yes... haven't you ever eaten food and liked/disliked the texture/taste based on what you expected? >"I don't see how this could be dangerous, except if people somehow eat a dozen of these and nothing else and somehow the brain "thinks" it's gotten nutrients that it hasn't." No one thought making grains (carbs) the basis for a diet would be dangerous but now we have an obesity epidemic because people don't feel full after consuming sufficient calories for their needs. Consuming too much or too little is entirely a "brain" (of course various hormones, etc that lead to cravings are involved) problem. If you feel full at the appropriate time you will never over-consume.