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Simple, block the EU, problem solved.

by zorga 8y ago

adminu 8y ago
A market of 512M well situated people surely is not an issue to ignore, great business advice here...
- zorga 8y ago
  It's not a market of 512M, it's many small markets of different languages and different cultures that all need to be targeted individually whereas the US is actually a much larger market of a single culture. Focusing on the big mono language mono culture market instead of chasing dozens of smaller markets that require much more effort in internationalization is actually good business advice.
  - ionised 8y ago
    It is a single market. That's the whole point of the EEA. Your personal interpretation of the situation is irrelevant.
    - zorga 8y ago
      From a business standpoint trying to market goods, no, it isn't. That's just a fact. Every culture has to be marketed to differently, they are different markets.
      - JAlexoid 8y ago
        US is actually not a single market. At least, not as much as you'd like to believe.
        zorga 8y ago
        There are regions, but they all speak the same language and use the same date formats: you do not have to internationalize or target your app, it is thus a single market. Not remotely so in the EU.
jakeogh 8y ago
There is no reason to block them. If you are not in the EU, you are not subject to it's laws.
- tomhoward 8y ago
  Sadly it's not that simple. If you're seen (by EU courts) to be soliciting business from the EU (which could just mean running advertising that appears in the EU), you're subject to the laws. So, blocking EU traffic to avoid being seen as doing business there may be a prudent step in some cases. https://www.gdprandbeyond.com/blog-post/data-privacy/gdpr-affect-non-european-companies/ https://www.gdprandbeyond.com/blog-post/data-privacy/gdpr-af...
  - zorga 8y ago
    Yes, it is that simple; the GDPR can claim whatever it wants, that doesn't make it true. The EU has no jurisdiction over me in the US period. And referencing the GDPR as a source isn't valid, just because it's written doesn't make it enforceable. China doesn't get to tell me what to do, nor does the EU.
    - tomhoward 8y ago
      I mean it's not that simple if you wanted to travel in the EU or actively engage in business there if you were ever found to be in breach and penalised. I don't like it any more than you do. But the fact remains that it's not that simple.
      - zorga 8y ago
        I could give a shit about travelling to the EU, the vast majority of Americans never leave the US, that's not going to change.
        JAlexoid 8y ago
        If you are a business owner in US, you will probably go to EU at some point in time. If you have a small website, you're not even a target. Unless you're selling personal data.

Simple, block the EU, problem solved.

by zorga 8y ago

Simple, block the EU, problem solved.

adminu 8y ago

A market of 512M well situated people surely is not an issue to ignore, great business advice here...

zorga 8y ago
It's not a market of 512M, it's many small markets of different languages and different cultures that all need to be targeted individually whereas the US is actually a much larger market of a single culture. Focusing on the big mono language mono culture market instead of chasing dozens of smaller markets that require much more effort in internationalization is actually good business advice.
- ionised 8y ago
  It is a single market. That's the whole point of the EEA. Your personal interpretation of the situation is irrelevant.
  - zorga 8y ago
    From a business standpoint trying to market goods, no, it isn't. That's just a fact. Every culture has to be marketed to differently, they are different markets.
    - JAlexoid 8y ago
      US is actually not a single market. At least, not as much as you'd like to believe.
      - zorga 8y ago
        There are regions, but they all speak the same language and use the same date formats: you do not have to internationalize or target your app, it is thus a single market. Not remotely so in the EU.

jakeogh 8y ago

There is no reason to block them. If you are not in the EU, you are not subject to it's laws.

tomhoward 8y ago
Sadly it's not that simple. If you're seen (by EU courts) to be soliciting business from the EU (which could just mean running advertising that appears in the EU), you're subject to the laws. So, blocking EU traffic to avoid being seen as doing business there may be a prudent step in some cases. https://www.gdprandbeyond.com/blog-post/data-privacy/gdpr-affect-non-european-companies/ https://www.gdprandbeyond.com/blog-post/data-privacy/gdpr-af...
- zorga 8y ago
  Yes, it is that simple; the GDPR can claim whatever it wants, that doesn't make it true. The EU has no jurisdiction over me in the US period. And referencing the GDPR as a source isn't valid, just because it's written doesn't make it enforceable. China doesn't get to tell me what to do, nor does the EU.
  - tomhoward 8y ago
    I mean it's not that simple if you wanted to travel in the EU or actively engage in business there if you were ever found to be in breach and penalised. I don't like it any more than you do. But the fact remains that it's not that simple.
    - zorga 8y ago
      I could give a shit about travelling to the EU, the vast majority of Americans never leave the US, that's not going to change.
      - JAlexoid 8y ago
        If you are a business owner in US, you will probably go to EU at some point in time. If you have a small website, you're not even a target. Unless you're selling personal data.