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Most other countries don't have our intractable political system; bondsman solve a problem, they let people get out of jail when the government is being absurd.
by zorga 8y ago
Most other countries don't have our intractable political system; bondsman solve a problem, they let people get out of jail when the government is being absurd.
- dogma1138 8y agoAnd do you think the bondsmen don’t have an incentive to keep the status quo? It’s a multi billion dollar industry which effectively taxes the poor. Make bounties illegal and it fill fall, once it falls the entire bail system in the US will have to be rethought as there isn’t a way to lock so many people up, more judges will release them until trial without setting a bail which they can already legally do and do so for minor offenses.
- zorga 8y agoYou're putting the cart before the horse; until you change the government and thus the bail system, we need bondsman. Making bounties illegal won't stop judges from setting bails people can't afford and is thus not a valid solution.
- dingoegret 8y agoVery dumb argument. There is no cart and there is no horse. Eliminate the bail system and something has to fill the void.
- a11595 8y agoHis argument is a common expression, not meant to be translated literally to whatever your first language is. It means don't take a tylenol for the pain - take an antibiotic to kill the bacteria causing the pain. maybe you don't get basic medicine either. I can't explain this to you. You need to go back to r/poland so you don't have to translate.
- Klover 8y agoI remember seeing one in LA. I thought it was fake! Like a tourist attraction.
- dogma1138 8y agoThere are several states with no private bail including Oregon and Massachusetts somehow I doubt that offenders in those states are worse off. In a country where judges are elected a multi billion dollar has a lot of power in determining how bail is set by the courts. If you think that judges that get donations from bondsmen don’t take that into account when setting bail you are very naive. This is the exact same problem as private prisons the justice system should not be monetized for profit.
- pinot 8y agoYou finally explained a mystery to me why growing up in Oregon, I've never seen a bailbond place with its flashy neon signs and general run-down areas outside of courthouses. Something I became fairly familiar with moving around California.
- rootusrootus 8y agoBounty hunters are not universal. For example, here in Oregon they are illegal.
- dogma1138 8y agoThere is also no private bail in Oregon afaik, but I think only 5 states or so are like that.
- rootusrootus 8y agoYep, we set a bond, and you can pay 10% to the court to bail yourself out. If you skip, the sheriff is the one who will come for you. Though in practice most people are released on their own recognizance, no bond is set except for serious cases. Also, Oregon doesn't just outlaw bounty hunters as part of our own process, we outlaw them altogether. Bounty hunting is classified as kidnapping. While there are many things Oregon could do better, there are a whole bunch of things, like this, which I think we are absolutely right on.
- kakarot 8y agoI grew up in a town where the mayor was the bail bondsman. His son was the district prosecutor. A perfect, no-frills example of the typical dynamic between bail bondsmen and government. How strange that I received the maximum possible bail amount for a crime that I didn't even commit. Surely there couldn't have been an incentive for the son of the guy who makes the laws to illegally prosecute and fine a minor whose only way to finish graduating high school is to pay the damn fine, so that the guy who makes the laws could collect that fine... That would just be corrupt.