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> How about we start with not allowing people to legally kidnap individuals? Then you'd have to give up being able to afford bail; without bounty hunters, bond
by zorga 8y ago
> How about we start with not allowing people to legally kidnap individuals?
Then you'd have to give up being able to afford bail; without bounty hunters, bondsman would have no recourse when you didn't show up to court and thus not much incentive to loan you bail money. You're not being legally kidnapped, you agreed to those terms when you borrowed the bond money for bail.
- pjc50 8y agoThe bail money isn't an essential part of the system either. Most other countries have radically different systems; in the U.K. it's unconditional and free for minor offenses with escalating conditions (and violence may result in no bail at all). https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/bail https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/bail
- zorga 8y agoIt's essential in a system where changes to how government operates largely aren't possible due to partisan divides; bondsman are a free market solution to absurd government policies on bail. When you can't fix the government, you go around them. btw, that wasn't me that down voted you.
- dogma1138 8y agoThe majority of bail isn’t prescribed at the federal level plenty of states can go way with it if they wanted too. The whole concept of bail shouldn’t have a place in a modern society.
- zorga 8y agoNo one said anything about the federal government; state governments are just as absurd and just as divided.
- learc83 8y agoThe majority of states are completely controlled by one party (the majority of the legislature and the governor are belong to the same party), and only one state has a split legislature.
- dogma1138 8y agoThe bail system itself is abhorrent if there isn’t a reason to lock you up until trial then you shouldn’t be locked up, if there is you shouldn’t be able to buy your way out. Most other countries have figured out how to serve justice without a system that discriminates against the poor. Too many people can’t afford the down payment or can offer a collateral to get a bail financed those who can end up being indebted to them you are advocating for the legalization of loan sharks.
- zorga 8y agoMost other countries don't have our intractable political system; bondsman solve a problem, they let people get out of jail when the government is being absurd.
- dogma1138 8y agoAnd do you think the bondsmen don’t have an incentive to keep the status quo? It’s a multi billion dollar industry which effectively taxes the poor. Make bounties illegal and it fill fall, once it falls the entire bail system in the US will have to be rethought as there isn’t a way to lock so many people up, more judges will release them until trial without setting a bail which they can already legally do and do so for minor offenses.
- zorga 8y agoYou're putting the cart before the horse; until you change the government and thus the bail system, we need bondsman. Making bounties illegal won't stop judges from setting bails people can't afford and is thus not a valid solution.
- dingoegret 8y agoVery dumb argument. There is no cart and there is no horse. Eliminate the bail system and something has to fill the void.
- jka 8y agoPerhaps other legal systems exist around the world which have been able to deal with this over the course of history?
- daveFNbuck 8y ago> Then you'd have to give up being able to afford bail California did this last year. People still get released pending trial, they just aren't required to pay a private party for the privilege.
- michaelmrose 8y agoHow come this doesn't apply to any other sort of debt this is really bad logic.