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It's funny to note that the first author signed a boycott [0] for publishing research in Nature's new journal (Nature Machine Intelligence) covering AI topics b
by nafizh 8y ago
It's funny to note that the first author signed a boycott [0] for publishing research in Nature's new journal (Nature Machine Intelligence) covering AI topics but is one of the first to publish there.
[0] https://openaccess.engineering.oregonstate.edu/signatures https://openaccess.engineering.oregonstate.edu/signatures
- BucketSort 8y agoMost researchers are not independent and don't have much choice where they publish. Also, prestige plays a huge role in academia. Getting in Nature is a big deal to them. That's one reason I really dislike academia. They are often playing games that are very far from genuine progress. It's all ladder climbing and groveling at their masters feet. Someone please disrupt academia.
- jvanderbot 8y agoYou perfectly described all the non academic jobs I've ever had.
- sn41 8y agoI have worked both in academia and in the industry. Academia is heaven when compared to some of the serpentine performance evaluations in the industry. I have even seen people in the same team undermining each other's work because the top 2 in the group would earn a bonus. The real merit of academia is that people can be alone in a corner doing one's work, if they choose to. Industry enforces socialisation, conformity to norms, and shmoozing. Also, the track record of the academic world vis-a-vis disruption is impressive. The oldest western universities are around 900 years old. That said, the article seems to be a fluff piece about a good but not groundbreaking paper. (Nature MI is not Nature, not by a long shot. It does not have any prestige, yet.)
- SZJX 8y ago> The real merit of academia is that people can be alone in a corner doing one's work, if they choose to. Industry enforces socialisation, conformity to norms, and shmoozing. That's a bit dubious. If you don't network in the academia I doubt you can get far at all, while you can very well just comfortably do your job as a technical employee even if you are not really into networking (if you don't have further ambitions). Networking is absolutely essential to would-be professors or anybody who wants long-term stable employment in the academia, and the competition is much fiercer.
- nightcracker 8y agoDo as I say, not as I do.
- kristianov 8y agoStep 1: Sign the Nature boycott. Step 2: Get boycott popular. Less people submitted to Nature. Step 3: Submit to Nature. Accepted due to less competition.
- muggermuch 8y agoStep 4: ??? Step 5: Profit!!
- laretluval 8y agoStep 4: Increased h-index Step 5: You get tenure and more grants
- hyperbovine 8y agoThis is a News and Views piece, published in the journal Nature, about a paper in Nat. Mach. Int. The distinction is important.
- nafizh 8y agoWe are talking about the paper this news piece is talking about.
- Bartweiss 8y agoThat is an important distinction, but in this case the problem still applies. The boycott doesn't apply to Nature, and arguably doesn't apply to non-publication writing like News and Views. Rather the boycott is of Nature Machine Intelligence, and the first author of the underlying paper in NMI is a signatory on the boycott list.
- a_bonobo 8y agoSimilar: In the recent baby gene editing controversy around He Jiankui it became apparent that he just had co-authored a paper proposing a set of ethical rules around human gene editing, which he promptly broke himself. https://www.wired.com/story/he-jiankui-crispr-babies-bucked-own-ethics-policy/ https://www.wired.com/story/he-jiankui-crispr-babies-bucked-...
- killjoywashere 8y agoIs this some next-level of publishing scandal? First there was a reproducability problem, now there's a fake-and-jab? What's next?
- jupiter90000 8y agoYeah, even funnier though is anyone can submit signatures to this with no verification. I just signed it for you (search for your username). Who knows which of these people actually 'signed' or not. Computer scientists!
- nisuni 8y agoThe article is published in Nature, not in Nature Machine Intelligence. The names may sound similar, but there’s a big, big difference.
- ogrisel 8y agoIt's published in Nature Machine Intelligence: https://www.nature.com/articles/s42256-018-0002-3 https://www.nature.com/articles/s42256-018-0002-3 But at least this article seems to be available as Open Access. I am not sure if this is temporary or not.
- whymauri 8y agohttps://www.nature.com/articles/s42256-018-0002-3 https://www.nature.com/articles/s42256-018-0002-3 Published in Nature Machine intelligence. Publicized through the regular Nature site.