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That’s really the same thing though. It is quite a stretch of the definition of fraud. Nobody was out any money. They just lied to the bank about how they were
by lawnchair_larry 8y ago
That’s really the same thing though. It is quite a stretch of the definition of fraud. Nobody was out any money. They just lied to the bank about how they were using the money. It seems like that is not the bank’s concern anyway, and the bank suffered no harm. If there is more to it than that, I’d be curious to know.
- idbehold 8y agoIn what way is that not fraud? Fraud - wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain. No one has to be "out any money" for fraud to occur.
- ABCLAW 8y agoNo, there's less to it than that: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1344 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1344 You aren't allowed to lie to the bank if you're getting money out of them, even if they are made whole. Them being made whole may prevent them from exercising a number of tortious claims against you, but that doesn't mean what you've done isn't independently illegal.