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Soy contains phytoestrogens which certain populations (e.g. women pregnant with male fetuses) may be advised to reduce intake of or avoid. Something to keep in

by nugget 8y ago

Soy contains phytoestrogens which certain populations (e.g. women pregnant with male fetuses) may be advised to reduce intake of or avoid. Something to keep in mind as meat replacements become more popular - that it may not be a one-size-fits-all solution.

sc4les 8y ago
Complete bogus, please abstain from spreading this misinformation. Unlike animal products which contain actual hormones active in humans plant products have an negligible effect and you would have to consume impossible amounts for the smallest of effects. Further, phytoestrogens actually benefit humans
- Rebelgecko 8y ago
  ...you would have to consume impossible amounts for the smallest of effects Further, phytoestrogens actually benefit humans Maybe I'm not parsing things well, but these 2 statements seem contradictory.
  - null000 8y ago
    Not contradictory, but working to different ends. "You shouldn't worry about this because phytoestrogens aren't present" "You shouldn't worry about this because phytoestrogens are beneficial" Both can be true at once, and support the end argument, it's just not particularly helpful or harmful if both are true at the same time.
  - devmunchies 8y ago
    From what I understand, the phytoestrogens take the place of real mammalian estrogen, but our bodies don't process it like real estrogen, so its actually good for men who want less estrogen. It acts almost like an estrogen blocker. Whereas drinking cow's milk, for example, is high in estrogen because its from it comes from a large female after giving birth.
rthomas6 8y ago
I mean, that's true with meat, too.
- ianai 8y ago
  The estrogen in beef is actual, mammalian estrogen. Which would you expect your body to interact most within digestion? Of course it’s going to be the stuff that’s closest to it. The FUD being spread around soy is ridiculous. Other nutrients that tend to be harder to find in plants than animals also tend to be more poorly absorbed than their animal counterparts. B12, iron, d, zinc, etc.
  - tropo 8y ago
    I would not expect a better reaction from actual, mammalian estrogen. It doesn't work that way with opioids: carfentanyl is a whole lot more powerful than dynorphins, enkephalins, endorphins, endomorphins and nociceptin. Also, quantity matters. Plants might produce a lot more than mammals do. In any case, the breast growth on males is no joke. That is just the affect on adults, who are far less susceptible than babies. However it works, soy is a serious hazard and should have the GRAS (generally recognized as safe) status removed.
aoner 8y ago
I recently looked into the literature and I think the evidence is ambiguous [1] If you've found some clear evidence supporting your case, could you point me in the right direction? [1]https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Shourong_Shi/publication/321381074_Comprehensive_evaluation_of_the_role_of_soy_and_isoflavone_supplementation_in_humans_and_animals_over_the_past_two_decades/links/5b177b4c45851547bba353c1/Comprehensive-evaluation-of-the-role-of-soy-and-isoflavone-supplementation-in-humans-and-animals-over-the-past-two-decades.pdf https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Shourong_Shi/publicatio...

by nugget 8y ago

sc4les 8y ago

Complete bogus, please abstain from spreading this misinformation. Unlike animal products which contain actual hormones active in humans plant products have an negligible effect and you would have to consume impossible amounts for the smallest of effects. Further, phytoestrogens actually benefit humans

Rebelgecko 8y ago
...you would have to consume impossible amounts for the smallest of effects Further, phytoestrogens actually benefit humans Maybe I'm not parsing things well, but these 2 statements seem contradictory.
- null000 8y ago
  Not contradictory, but working to different ends. "You shouldn't worry about this because phytoestrogens aren't present" "You shouldn't worry about this because phytoestrogens are beneficial" Both can be true at once, and support the end argument, it's just not particularly helpful or harmful if both are true at the same time.
- devmunchies 8y ago
  From what I understand, the phytoestrogens take the place of real mammalian estrogen, but our bodies don't process it like real estrogen, so its actually good for men who want less estrogen. It acts almost like an estrogen blocker. Whereas drinking cow's milk, for example, is high in estrogen because its from it comes from a large female after giving birth.

rthomas6 8y ago

I mean, that's true with meat, too.

ianai 8y ago
The estrogen in beef is actual, mammalian estrogen. Which would you expect your body to interact most within digestion? Of course it’s going to be the stuff that’s closest to it. The FUD being spread around soy is ridiculous. Other nutrients that tend to be harder to find in plants than animals also tend to be more poorly absorbed than their animal counterparts. B12, iron, d, zinc, etc.
- tropo 8y ago
  I would not expect a better reaction from actual, mammalian estrogen. It doesn't work that way with opioids: carfentanyl is a whole lot more powerful than dynorphins, enkephalins, endorphins, endomorphins and nociceptin. Also, quantity matters. Plants might produce a lot more than mammals do. In any case, the breast growth on males is no joke. That is just the affect on adults, who are far less susceptible than babies. However it works, soy is a serious hazard and should have the GRAS (generally recognized as safe) status removed.

aoner 8y ago

I recently looked into the literature and I think the evidence is ambiguous [1] If you've found some clear evidence supporting your case, could you point me in the right direction? [1]https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Shourong_Shi/publication/321381074_Comprehensive_evaluation_of_the_role_of_soy_and_isoflavone_supplementation_in_humans_and_animals_over_the_past_two_decades/links/5b177b4c45851547bba353c1/Comprehensive-evaluation-of-the-role-of-soy-and-isoflavone-supplementation-in-humans-and-animals-over-the-past-two-decades.pdf https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Shourong_Shi/publicatio...