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The rolling hills of Wales and northern England are never going to be great for crops, but they are perfect grassland for feeding cattle and lamb. The grass hi

The rolling hills of Wales and northern England are never going to be great for crops, but they are perfect grassland for feeding cattle and lamb. The grass hills are beautiful, it would be a great shame to see them converted to crops. I would argue they won’t be, and therefore the cattle raised on them is effecient.

52-6F-62 8y ago
It's much the same in the Alberta plains. You'd have to dramatically alter the ecosystem to grow a variety of crops there.
ashtonbaker 8y ago
The problem as I understand it is that while cattle are often raised in such places - grazing on open grass plains which could not support other crops - they are usually transferred to feedlots later in their life, where a significant portion of the nutrients used to support them come from corn, soy, etc, which do come from croplands. So in our current system it does appear that cattle, even if they occupy some grassland space which could not be more efficiently used, do inevitably use resources which could be more efficiently used to feed humans directly.
Aromasin 8y ago
Decreasing meat consumption would dramatically decrease the amount of land amount used for crop agriculture, not increase it. 85% of the UK's landmass is grazing land and crops grown specifically as animal feed[1]. In 2010, the British livestock industry needed an area the size of Yorkshire just to produce the soy used in feed. But if global demand for meat grows as expected, the report says, soy production would need to increase by nearly 80% by 2050. [2] From a completely theoretical standpoint, if humans were to stop consuming meat we would actually need to close 1000's of crop farms, not open them on rolling hills, even when accounting for our dietary increase in plants. I'd therefore argue that it's a shame the land has to be used for agriculture at all. Better would be to maintain them as national parks and the like. [1]http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959378017301176 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959378017... [2] (PDF WARNING) https://www.wwf.org.uk/sites/default/files/2017-10/WWF_AppetiteForDestruction_Summary_Report_SignOff.pdf https://www.wwf.org.uk/sites/default/files/2017-10/WWF_Appet...
- themodelplumber 8y ago
  More national parks! As a recreational hiker and walker that would be a dream. I'd go vegetarian myself if it guaranteed even 50% more parkland.
X6S1x6Okd1st 8y ago
If we got to a place where most of the cow & lamb feed comes from open range grazing we'd be in a fabulous place.
blacksmith_tb 8y ago
But of course humans have been changing that landscape for millennia to graze livestock on it - it was much more forested before we arrived, and could be again.
praxulus 8y ago
The demand for, and thus price of, feed crops will decrease if we largely switch from real meats to plant-based substitutes, so there will be less economic incentive to grow crops on those rolling hills, not more. They could still be used to raise livestock (we're probably not going to eliminate 100% of meat and animal products from the market), or just returned to nature.

52-6F-62 8y ago

It's much the same in the Alberta plains. You'd have to dramatically alter the ecosystem to grow a variety of crops there.

ashtonbaker 8y ago

The problem as I understand it is that while cattle are often raised in such places - grazing on open grass plains which could not support other crops - they are usually transferred to feedlots later in their life, where a significant portion of the nutrients used to support them come from corn, soy, etc, which do come from croplands. So in our current system it does appear that cattle, even if they occupy some grassland space which could not be more efficiently used, do inevitably use resources which could be more efficiently used to feed humans directly.

Aromasin 8y ago

Decreasing meat consumption would dramatically decrease the amount of land amount used for crop agriculture, not increase it. 85% of the UK's landmass is grazing land and crops grown specifically as animal feed[1]. In 2010, the British livestock industry needed an area the size of Yorkshire just to produce the soy used in feed. But if global demand for meat grows as expected, the report says, soy production would need to increase by nearly 80% by 2050. [2] From a completely theoretical standpoint, if humans were to stop consuming meat we would actually need to close 1000's of crop farms, not open them on rolling hills, even when accounting for our dietary increase in plants. I'd therefore argue that it's a shame the land has to be used for agriculture at all. Better would be to maintain them as national parks and the like. [1]http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959378017301176 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959378017... [2] (PDF WARNING) https://www.wwf.org.uk/sites/default/files/2017-10/WWF_AppetiteForDestruction_Summary_Report_SignOff.pdf https://www.wwf.org.uk/sites/default/files/2017-10/WWF_Appet...

themodelplumber 8y ago
More national parks! As a recreational hiker and walker that would be a dream. I'd go vegetarian myself if it guaranteed even 50% more parkland.

X6S1x6Okd1st 8y ago

If we got to a place where most of the cow & lamb feed comes from open range grazing we'd be in a fabulous place.

blacksmith_tb 8y ago

But of course humans have been changing that landscape for millennia to graze livestock on it - it was much more forested before we arrived, and could be again.

praxulus 8y ago

The demand for, and thus price of, feed crops will decrease if we largely switch from real meats to plant-based substitutes, so there will be less economic incentive to grow crops on those rolling hills, not more. They could still be used to raise livestock (we're probably not going to eliminate 100% of meat and animal products from the market), or just returned to nature.