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I did have a big reply typed out yesterday but couldn't post it. Today I'll just observe that - again - what actual member state and Brussels officials are sayi

I did have a big reply typed out yesterday but couldn't post it. Today I'll just observe that - again - what actual member state and Brussels officials are saying is that this is "the best and only deal that could have been achieved". Not - "it's alright but with more time we'll find something better" which is what you're claiming. Again, I don't see how your position matches the reality of what is being said by the people in power. So I think I'm not the one who's misunderstood their position.

matthewmacleod 8y ago
No, that is not what I'm claiming. The EU folk you are quoting are clear that this is the only deal that is available, and that is correct – but those statements are in the context of the red lines established by the UK, and the point in the negotiations that we are now at. First, please refer to the graphic I linked to. It outlines how the conditions established for an EU exit deal by the UK limited the options that were available. These choices were almost entirely on the UK, and they are obvious to anybody with even a passing familiarity with the various bodies and constructs involved. The UK decided what conditions it was not willing to accept – free movement, ECJ jurisdiction; shared trade policy etc. – and the deal which has been achieved is the best deal possible given those constraints. Second, realise that we are now at the end of the negotiation process. There is no appetite for renegotiating a deal under these circumstances. The UK and EU have negotiated for two years; if a different approach had been taken at the beginning of those negotiations, a different deal would have been possible. That is now no longer the case. Both my statement that "a better was possible", and the EU's statements that "no better deal is now possible" are true.

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I did have a big reply typed out yesterday but couldn't post it. Today I'll just observe that - again - what actual member state and Brussels officials are sayi

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matthewmacleod 8y ago
No, that is not what I'm claiming. The EU folk you are quoting are clear that this is the only deal that is available, and that is correct – but those statements are in the context of the red lines established by the UK, and the point in the negotiations that we are now at. First, please refer to the graphic I linked to. It outlines how the conditions established for an EU exit deal by the UK limited the options that were available. These choices were almost entirely on the UK, and they are obvious to anybody with even a passing familiarity with the various bodies and constructs involved. The UK decided what conditions it was not willing to accept – free movement, ECJ jurisdiction; shared trade policy etc. – and the deal which has been achieved is the best deal possible given those constraints. Second, realise that we are now at the end of the negotiation process. There is no appetite for renegotiating a deal under these circumstances. The UK and EU have negotiated for two years; if a different approach had been taken at the beginning of those negotiations, a different deal would have been possible. That is now no longer the case. Both my statement that "a better was possible", and the EU's statements that "no better deal is now possible" are true.