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The united states was built on violence. Violence is a valid option to get things done. Yes, it's socially frowned upon. However if you look at history, entire

The united states was built on violence. Violence is a valid option to get things done. Yes, it's socially frowned upon. However if you look at history, entire empires are built off of violence. If you can get what you want via violence instead of diplomacy logically you've succeeded in getting what you want. Violence along with diplomacy is a logical means to an end

sneak 8y ago
Did violence invent the Apollo guidance computer or the Saturn V? Did violence build the SR-71? Did violence design Teller’s hydrogen bomb? Did violence build Apple or Google or Facebook or Amazon? I think if that is the answer you want, you will be able to find enough examples (slavery, et c) to support that conclusion. But many countries had slavery; only a few could build planes to outrun SAMs, land on the moon, index the entire internet, or create the modern smartphone/tablet. Creativity is much more important than violence. Violence can only be used to perpetuate the status quo; you cannot beat someone into invention or value creation
- crimsonalucard 8y ago
  No but if I have a strong desire to kill an enemy I could invent something to make me better at killing. All modern military technology and the technology that spawned from it such as the Saturn V or the hydrogen bomb were invented because of the desire to inflict violence on an enemy. Creativity is a tool; violence, hatred and competition is a driving force. That is not to discount empathy and altruism as driving forces but to ignore hatred and violence as things that have human shaped progress (and improved society technologically) is to ignore reality.
  - sneak 8y ago
    Defensive weapons are not developed out of a desire to inflict violence, but out of a desire to have the ability to inflict violence. It is a tremendously important but subtle distinction. One is a desire for violence and the other is a desire to avoid violence.
    - crimsonalucard 8y ago
      Thats what everyone says nowadays. Both sides of a conflict build weapons for "defense." Sort of like how my gun nut dad owns 4 different types of guns for "defense."
      - sneak 8y ago
        I own a lot more than 4 different types of guns and I have a strong desire to avoid shooting any living thing. Your example doesn’t hold up.
        crimsonalucard 8y ago
        People are contradictory. And you are not an exception. You don't buy guns to kill. But you wouldn't buy those guns if those guns were incapable of killing. You don't buy bb guns.

sneak 8y ago

Did violence invent the Apollo guidance computer or the Saturn V? Did violence build the SR-71? Did violence design Teller’s hydrogen bomb? Did violence build Apple or Google or Facebook or Amazon? I think if that is the answer you want, you will be able to find enough examples (slavery, et c) to support that conclusion. But many countries had slavery; only a few could build planes to outrun SAMs, land on the moon, index the entire internet, or create the modern smartphone/tablet. Creativity is much more important than violence. Violence can only be used to perpetuate the status quo; you cannot beat someone into invention or value creation

crimsonalucard 8y ago
No but if I have a strong desire to kill an enemy I could invent something to make me better at killing. All modern military technology and the technology that spawned from it such as the Saturn V or the hydrogen bomb were invented because of the desire to inflict violence on an enemy. Creativity is a tool; violence, hatred and competition is a driving force. That is not to discount empathy and altruism as driving forces but to ignore hatred and violence as things that have human shaped progress (and improved society technologically) is to ignore reality.
- sneak 8y ago
  Defensive weapons are not developed out of a desire to inflict violence, but out of a desire to have the ability to inflict violence. It is a tremendously important but subtle distinction. One is a desire for violence and the other is a desire to avoid violence.
  - crimsonalucard 8y ago
    Thats what everyone says nowadays. Both sides of a conflict build weapons for "defense." Sort of like how my gun nut dad owns 4 different types of guns for "defense."
    - sneak 8y ago
      I own a lot more than 4 different types of guns and I have a strong desire to avoid shooting any living thing. Your example doesn’t hold up.
      - crimsonalucard 8y ago
        People are contradictory. And you are not an exception. You don't buy guns to kill. But you wouldn't buy those guns if those guns were incapable of killing. You don't buy bb guns.