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> Capitalism ... been shown to give rise to Fascism Historical nonsense. Fascism is a direct descendent of Marxist socialism with class consciousness replaced
by lucozade 8y ago
> Capitalism ... been shown to give rise to Fascism
Historical nonsense. Fascism is a direct descendent of Marxist socialism with class consciousness replaced by nationalism.
And the Soviet Union and Communist China were state socialist societies. Neither of which were known for their humanity and environmental consciousness.
You can't just define capitalism as "all the bad stuff". Well you can but it's disingenuous and wrong.
Pure capitalism has never existed and wouldn't work anyway. Same goes for pure socialism.
Organisations like Mondragon and John Lewis have shown that models that mix the two can be successful. That message is not helped by a wilful disregard of facts.
- profalseidol 8y ago> Fascism is a direct descendent of Marxist socialism with class consciousness replaced by nationalism. Pure Nonsense. Fascism is simply extreme nationalism. It is believing that one's race is superior which makes you hate immigrants. Makes you build up walls to keep them out. This is born out of the constant exploitation of the capitalists. When the people stop believing the Capitalist lies, you start getting demagogues like Trump. This has nothing to do with Marx and Socialism. Just to repeat, Soviet Union and Communist China Vangaurdism has nothing to do with Worker-owned-and-directed enterprises. Soviet Union and Communist China is very different from Mondragon and John Lewis. Power is decentralized as much as possible. Managers and Executives (if needed) are only in power for a few months and is subject to call any time. Unlike today where C-level persons act like Feudal Lords.