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I think it's something in the American mindset. It's been said before, but Americans think of themselves as "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" when voting (

I think it's something in the American mindset. It's been said before, but Americans think of themselves as "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" when voting (hence why they consistently vote in the interests of the rich - everyone thinks they'll benefit from those tax cuts when they win the lottery/sell their startup/etc). Same situation here; "health care costs are for those sick losers. I'm not going to get sick, so it doesn't matter to me how much it costs, and I don't want to pay more tax to reduce healthcare costs for those losers". I exaggerate, but it does seem like there's something like this going on...

TheOtherHobbes 8y ago
It is partly a cultural thing - a kind of cult of narcissism. But those attitudes are carefully cultivated by the media. They don't just happen. Congress and the Senate are full of corrupt leeches, and both parties are equally guilty. Votes make no difference. Corporate money buys political careers, and it pays for both sides. There are a few exceptions, cultivated to maintain the appearance of representative democracy, but they're rarely - if ever - allowed anywhere near policy.
- DaiPlusPlus 8y ago
  > Congress and the Senate are full of corrupt leeches, and both parties are equally guilty. No, the Democrats and Republicans are not the same.
  - EvanAnderson 8y ago
    Both parties are equally guilty of being more worried about holding on to the reigns of power than serving the public.
    - macintux 8y ago
      No, I reject that equivalency. One party is suppressing the vote and constantly sabotaging the workings of the government to retain power.
      - EvanAnderson 8y ago
        Those aren't the equivalencies I'm asserting. My position is that members of both parties expend far too much energy working on re-election fundraising versus working for the people. That's the equivalency I'm asserting.
        komali2 8y ago
        Both parties, then, are elected (generally. Republicans tend to depend on the electoral college to win). Both parties eat food. Both parties drink water. What's the point of this equivalency? I identify a moved goalpost. Your initial post was "both parties are equal." We are far from there, down here.
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patient_zero 8y ago
I agree with you in part, but in my opinion propaganda and lobbying are the problem because this is the source of the disconnect. When people got increased protections from the ACA, nobody complained. The insurance and hospitals deliberately shitcanned the healthcare marketplace and MOST pepole don't put much thought into why the mandated insurance became unconscionably expensinve, they just thought "Obamacare is worhtless" because that's what they were told. I don't think it's specifically an American thing to avoid much thought about becoming really ill. It's an uncomfortable subject.

TheOtherHobbes 8y ago

It is partly a cultural thing - a kind of cult of narcissism. But those attitudes are carefully cultivated by the media. They don't just happen. Congress and the Senate are full of corrupt leeches, and both parties are equally guilty. Votes make no difference. Corporate money buys political careers, and it pays for both sides. There are a few exceptions, cultivated to maintain the appearance of representative democracy, but they're rarely - if ever - allowed anywhere near policy.

DaiPlusPlus 8y ago
> Congress and the Senate are full of corrupt leeches, and both parties are equally guilty. No, the Democrats and Republicans are not the same.
- EvanAnderson 8y ago
  Both parties are equally guilty of being more worried about holding on to the reigns of power than serving the public.
  - macintux 8y ago
    No, I reject that equivalency. One party is suppressing the vote and constantly sabotaging the workings of the government to retain power.
    - EvanAnderson 8y ago
      Those aren't the equivalencies I'm asserting. My position is that members of both parties expend far too much energy working on re-election fundraising versus working for the people. That's the equivalency I'm asserting.
      - komali2 8y ago
        Both parties, then, are elected (generally. Republicans tend to depend on the electoral college to win). Both parties eat food. Both parties drink water. What's the point of this equivalency? I identify a moved goalpost. Your initial post was "both parties are equal." We are far from there, down here.
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patient_zero 8y ago

I agree with you in part, but in my opinion propaganda and lobbying are the problem because this is the source of the disconnect. When people got increased protections from the ACA, nobody complained. The insurance and hospitals deliberately shitcanned the healthcare marketplace and MOST pepole don't put much thought into why the mandated insurance became unconscionably expensinve, they just thought "Obamacare is worhtless" because that's what they were told. I don't think it's specifically an American thing to avoid much thought about becoming really ill. It's an uncomfortable subject.