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99% of new cars sold within the U.S. are going to have basic self-driving capability in less than three years. Not really seeing what's unique about what Toyota

99% of new cars sold within the U.S. are going to have basic self-driving capability in less than three years. Not really seeing what's unique about what Toyota is doing here.

inerte 8y ago
Source?
- Alex3917 8y ago
  By September 2022: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/03/17/automatic-emergency-braking-coming-all-cars-2022/81907516/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/03/17/automat... So actually less than four years, I thought it was for the 2022 models which would be released in late 2021.
  - danso 8y ago
    The story you link to refers to automatic emergency braking systems. AEB is standard in several of Toyota’s current models. The IEEE story refers to significantly more sophisticated driver-assist features. So, the difference is, different features.
nomel 8y ago
From the last time I looked, none of the competitors have accident avoidance beyond automatic emergency braking. Full motion planning to avoid an accident seems like a huge step forward. edit: Seeing your later comment, you seem to think this is emergency braking. The video clearly shows this goes beyond emergency braking.
- Alex3917 8y ago
  I get that it's not just emergency breaking. My point though is that by 2022, all new cars are going to have both the sensors and the processing hardware needed to do this. So most new cars will probably have this sort of functionality, even if they're not required to by this specific industry agreement. (Lots of cars already have this, including ones that aren't even that expensive, e.g. pretty much any Subaru.)
  - ams6110 8y ago
    I hope I can keep my 1980s era cars running until I'm too old to drive.
  - nomel 8y ago
    The requirements for hardware and processing to achieve emergency braking is drastically different than the 360 degree situational awareness and avoidance that Toyota is showing here. You can buy a 2017 Camry with emergency braking. It uses a laser and camera at the front and looks like a Camry. Compare the module to the Guardian sensor bank you see on the roof there. It's not for show. We will not see this sensor bank or these capabilities on every new car in 2022 and the article you posted doesn't remotely suggest that. I think you're underestimating what Toyota is doing here.
    - Alex3917 8y ago
      How is that different than the active safety features on any other car? E.g. most cars already have an optional package to detect other cars in your blind spots, keep you centered in your lane, etc.
      - wtallis 8y ago
        Toyota demonstrated a test where the car determines that it cannot brake in time to avoid hitting an obstacle, so it decides to swerve around it instead. No combination of blind spot warnings and lane keeping assist can come anywhere close to performing such a feat. I'm also not aware of any car currently for sale that will accelerate to avoid being hit from behind. There are quite a few vehicles that have at least some of the sensor capability required for this kind of functionality, but the hard part is the software/AI, not the cameras and LIDAR.
        gambiting 8y ago
        >> I'm also not aware of any car currently for sale that will accelerate to avoid being hit from behind Mercedes cars do that. They also preemptively play grey noise over the speakers if the collision is imminent, to protect your eardrums - that's something I don't think any other manufacturer is doing.

99% of new cars sold within the U.S. are going to have basic self-driving capability in less than three years. Not really seeing what's unique about what Toyota is doing here.

inerte 8y ago

Source?

Alex3917 8y ago
By September 2022: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/03/17/automatic-emergency-braking-coming-all-cars-2022/81907516/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/03/17/automat... So actually less than four years, I thought it was for the 2022 models which would be released in late 2021.
- danso 8y ago
  The story you link to refers to automatic emergency braking systems. AEB is standard in several of Toyota’s current models. The IEEE story refers to significantly more sophisticated driver-assist features. So, the difference is, different features.

nomel 8y ago

From the last time I looked, none of the competitors have accident avoidance beyond automatic emergency braking. Full motion planning to avoid an accident seems like a huge step forward. edit: Seeing your later comment, you seem to think this is emergency braking. The video clearly shows this goes beyond emergency braking.

Alex3917 8y ago
I get that it's not just emergency breaking. My point though is that by 2022, all new cars are going to have both the sensors and the processing hardware needed to do this. So most new cars will probably have this sort of functionality, even if they're not required to by this specific industry agreement. (Lots of cars already have this, including ones that aren't even that expensive, e.g. pretty much any Subaru.)
- ams6110 8y ago
  I hope I can keep my 1980s era cars running until I'm too old to drive.
- nomel 8y ago
  The requirements for hardware and processing to achieve emergency braking is drastically different than the 360 degree situational awareness and avoidance that Toyota is showing here. You can buy a 2017 Camry with emergency braking. It uses a laser and camera at the front and looks like a Camry. Compare the module to the Guardian sensor bank you see on the roof there. It's not for show. We will not see this sensor bank or these capabilities on every new car in 2022 and the article you posted doesn't remotely suggest that. I think you're underestimating what Toyota is doing here.
  - Alex3917 8y ago
    How is that different than the active safety features on any other car? E.g. most cars already have an optional package to detect other cars in your blind spots, keep you centered in your lane, etc.
    - wtallis 8y ago
      Toyota demonstrated a test where the car determines that it cannot brake in time to avoid hitting an obstacle, so it decides to swerve around it instead. No combination of blind spot warnings and lane keeping assist can come anywhere close to performing such a feat. I'm also not aware of any car currently for sale that will accelerate to avoid being hit from behind. There are quite a few vehicles that have at least some of the sensor capability required for this kind of functionality, but the hard part is the software/AI, not the cameras and LIDAR.
      - gambiting 8y ago
        >> I'm also not aware of any car currently for sale that will accelerate to avoid being hit from behind Mercedes cars do that. They also preemptively play grey noise over the speakers if the collision is imminent, to protect your eardrums - that's something I don't think any other manufacturer is doing.