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because health care is a human right.

by zzzeek 8y ago

taobility 8y ago
who said that? If so, should Medi-Cal also cover the medial expense of Africa? There are more people in terrible condition than these illegal ones.
- zzzeek 8y ago
  > who said that? the World Health Organization in their constitution established in 1946: https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/human-rights-and-health https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/human-right... crazy radical stuff huh?
  - taobility 8y ago
    yeah, it's much crazy radical like this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18850770 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18850770 So basically the hospital charge extra money for those legal residency's human right to support those illegal ones' human right. That's great!
danablast 8y ago
not on my credit it's not.
- techslave 8y ago
  i probably don't agree with GP, but the credit you have is in no small part due to the cheap cost of food and services that illegal immigrants provide. if you had to pay the full cost of legal labor for those products and services, you'd have much less "credit" to show for it. you may even say you would rather have it that way. but that's not the world we live in.
techslave 8y ago
careful. so are you saying that a $5MM procedure to save a lazy ne'er do well homeless person from some exotic condition, whereupon their release from the hospital will go back to being homeless and is likely to die of some "ordinary" disease, is a basic human right? where is the line between what level of health care is a right and what level is not? i'll note there is no such thing as a life-saving procedure. even trauma interventions are just deferral of death. don't get me wrong, i don't have an answer myself. i'm just trying to understand your position in better detail. we are all here due to the compassion of many, many others, most of which are unrecognized. but a right? how can it be a right when health care as we know it today didn't even exist 100 years ago? and healthcare isn't free. someone pays for it, and as we are divided into nations, it's the citizens of a given nation that have done the paying. i do believe illegal immigrants should get better treatment, possibly including healthcare. After all, they are (contrary to those who need someone to blame for their woes) doing us a desired service. so yeah, there's a grey area on healthcare. but, a right?

because health care is a human right.

by zzzeek 8y ago

because health care is a human right.

who said that? If so, should Medi-Cal also cover the medial expense of Africa? There are more people in terrible condition than these illegal ones.

zzzeek 8y ago
> who said that? the World Health Organization in their constitution established in 1946: https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/human-rights-and-health https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/human-right... crazy radical stuff huh?
- taobility 8y ago
  yeah, it's much crazy radical like this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18850770 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18850770 So basically the hospital charge extra money for those legal residency's human right to support those illegal ones' human right. That's great!

danablast 8y ago

not on my credit it's not.

techslave 8y ago
i probably don't agree with GP, but the credit you have is in no small part due to the cheap cost of food and services that illegal immigrants provide. if you had to pay the full cost of legal labor for those products and services, you'd have much less "credit" to show for it. you may even say you would rather have it that way. but that's not the world we live in.

techslave 8y ago

careful. so are you saying that a $5MM procedure to save a lazy ne'er do well homeless person from some exotic condition, whereupon their release from the hospital will go back to being homeless and is likely to die of some "ordinary" disease, is a basic human right? where is the line between what level of health care is a right and what level is not? i'll note there is no such thing as a life-saving procedure. even trauma interventions are just deferral of death. don't get me wrong, i don't have an answer myself. i'm just trying to understand your position in better detail. we are all here due to the compassion of many, many others, most of which are unrecognized. but a right? how can it be a right when health care as we know it today didn't even exist 100 years ago? and healthcare isn't free. someone pays for it, and as we are divided into nations, it's the citizens of a given nation that have done the paying. i do believe illegal immigrants should get better treatment, possibly including healthcare. After all, they are (contrary to those who need someone to blame for their woes) doing us a desired service. so yeah, there's a grey area on healthcare. but, a right?