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Hey Peter, I read through both links and thought about this reply quite a bit. To address the Mental Illness resource: I think that is a very outdated perspec

Hey Peter, I read through both links and thought about this reply quite a bit. To address the Mental Illness resource: I think that is a very outdated perspective. It doesn't account for advancements of technology (1961-now) for measuring efficacy. It invalidates my experience and denies what has worked well for me and rightfully empowered my autonomy. If you are insinuating that I am crazy with your Einstein quote then I ask that you reconsider your perspective to be more tolerant and understand that people with mental disorders are not 'crazy'. I agree, the criteria for hiring is variable. I refuse programming assignments now unless they have a measurable metric for success and exchange value (offer is there but contingent on assignment or something else of agreeable value). I read The Guerrilla Guide, I agree and disagree with parts of it. "Most of the time in the interview, though, should be spent letting the candidate prove that they can write code." I disagree with this. If I get paid in services sold (value for value) to local businesses by having only two conversations then why not expect value for value in a hiring process? They want to have proof in an environment set up by them that I can measurably create code so what is something of equal value I get in return? Access of my personal IP for something of equal value. For credibility I have years of open source contributions and projects that demonstrates my passion for code, written and phone referrals, videos of speaking, and testimonials from past clients.

ragingnarwal 8y ago
Slept on it, thought about it more, and visited this thread again for the other comments. Peter, your comment demonstrates the type of stigma that supports ignorance and prevents progress. I thank you for your perspective as I will make a note to avoid others who share it when looking for work, friends, and a community. Your presence in this thread was unhelpful and only served to demonstrate the ignorance I encounter in this industry. I came here for help and you took that as an opportunity to passively judge and make a statement. Additionally, you ignored the majority of what I originally posted.
- peter_d_sherman 8y ago
  Hi ragingnarwal, You have my most profound and humble apologies if anything I said offended you -- offending you was not my goal. You posted a message to HN asking for help; I gave you my viewpoints having experienced much of the same thing which you have experienced. I was only trying to help. I wasn't trying to insinuate anything with my Einstein quote (which is also a Dr. Phil quote by the way, "If you keep doing what you're doing, you'll keep getting what you're getting"). It just seems that that makes logical sense, that's all. Finally, with respect to Thomas Szasz, I suggest him only because see, you can buy and read tens of thousands of books that will tell you (by esteemed professionals with Ph.D.'s no less) that there's a thing called "Mental Illness" (maybe it's true, maybe it isn't), just as there are thousands of books (by esteemed professionals with Ph.D.'s no less) that will tell you there's a thing called the Catholic Religion, the Buddhist Religion, the Jewish Relgion, the Islamic Religion, or any other religion, that God exists, and what will happen when you die (maybe it's true, maybe it isn't). Well Thomas Szasz is the Richard Dawkins to all of those. He's the minority report. He's the fly in the ointment. He's the gadfly that Socrates was to the Athenian State. He's Dr. Stockmann in Ibsen's "An Enemy Of The People". He's what Martin Luther was to the Catholic Church in 1517. You see, he stands mostly alone, opposed by huge numbers of academics (not to mention people) who oppose his viewpoint. That doesn't make him right or wrong, but you see, there is a saying that "one should leave no stone unturned in the quest for truth". That's why I offer you that stone. So, to recap, I apologize again, profusely. I meant you no harm/injury/wrong in my response to your comment; you asked for comments from the HN community; I gave you mine, and again I apologize if they were offensive, irrelevant, misleading, or whatever have you. They were one man's opinion. No more no less.
  - ragingnarwal 8y ago
    The Einstein quote is one of my favorites. I believe it's misplaced in this thread. I asked for advice besides "roll over and deal with it". I wasn't able to find any actionable advice from your post other than accept the status quo. I love perspectives that rebel against the widely accepted status quo. Szasz suggests a perspective I personally had before my diagnosis when I was stubborn and thought I could handle everything without help. That stubbornness led to a self-destructive path and hurt the people I care about and myself. The mental health education I've received over the years has led to solutions that have improved my personal status quo substantially. It's offending because people with mental disorders live with challenges that neurotypical people do not. Your unturned stone is rampant outside of the mental health community and is often used to invalidate experiences that make others uncomfortable. A professional relationship once gave unwarranted advice regarding my mental health to defy what my doctors told me and change my fate by simply utilizing personal empowerment. Been there, done that, doesn't work by itself. I hear it often and feel frustrated that the tendency to make a statement about how to live life without hearing an individuals story and empathizing is prevalent in industry social rituals. The painful growth individuals impacted by mental health go through is excruciating. Most of us desire genuine connection with human compassion and validation of our experience. I appreciate your comment. It demonstrates a thought out response. My intent is to confront the stigma and for us to reach growth. I hope that this dialogue helps both of us to better interact with multiple walks of life.

ragingnarwal 8y ago

Slept on it, thought about it more, and visited this thread again for the other comments. Peter, your comment demonstrates the type of stigma that supports ignorance and prevents progress. I thank you for your perspective as I will make a note to avoid others who share it when looking for work, friends, and a community. Your presence in this thread was unhelpful and only served to demonstrate the ignorance I encounter in this industry. I came here for help and you took that as an opportunity to passively judge and make a statement. Additionally, you ignored the majority of what I originally posted.

peter_d_sherman 8y ago
Hi ragingnarwal, You have my most profound and humble apologies if anything I said offended you -- offending you was not my goal. You posted a message to HN asking for help; I gave you my viewpoints having experienced much of the same thing which you have experienced. I was only trying to help. I wasn't trying to insinuate anything with my Einstein quote (which is also a Dr. Phil quote by the way, "If you keep doing what you're doing, you'll keep getting what you're getting"). It just seems that that makes logical sense, that's all. Finally, with respect to Thomas Szasz, I suggest him only because see, you can buy and read tens of thousands of books that will tell you (by esteemed professionals with Ph.D.'s no less) that there's a thing called "Mental Illness" (maybe it's true, maybe it isn't), just as there are thousands of books (by esteemed professionals with Ph.D.'s no less) that will tell you there's a thing called the Catholic Religion, the Buddhist Religion, the Jewish Relgion, the Islamic Religion, or any other religion, that God exists, and what will happen when you die (maybe it's true, maybe it isn't). Well Thomas Szasz is the Richard Dawkins to all of those. He's the minority report. He's the fly in the ointment. He's the gadfly that Socrates was to the Athenian State. He's Dr. Stockmann in Ibsen's "An Enemy Of The People". He's what Martin Luther was to the Catholic Church in 1517. You see, he stands mostly alone, opposed by huge numbers of academics (not to mention people) who oppose his viewpoint. That doesn't make him right or wrong, but you see, there is a saying that "one should leave no stone unturned in the quest for truth". That's why I offer you that stone. So, to recap, I apologize again, profusely. I meant you no harm/injury/wrong in my response to your comment; you asked for comments from the HN community; I gave you mine, and again I apologize if they were offensive, irrelevant, misleading, or whatever have you. They were one man's opinion. No more no less.
- ragingnarwal 8y ago
  The Einstein quote is one of my favorites. I believe it's misplaced in this thread. I asked for advice besides "roll over and deal with it". I wasn't able to find any actionable advice from your post other than accept the status quo. I love perspectives that rebel against the widely accepted status quo. Szasz suggests a perspective I personally had before my diagnosis when I was stubborn and thought I could handle everything without help. That stubbornness led to a self-destructive path and hurt the people I care about and myself. The mental health education I've received over the years has led to solutions that have improved my personal status quo substantially. It's offending because people with mental disorders live with challenges that neurotypical people do not. Your unturned stone is rampant outside of the mental health community and is often used to invalidate experiences that make others uncomfortable. A professional relationship once gave unwarranted advice regarding my mental health to defy what my doctors told me and change my fate by simply utilizing personal empowerment. Been there, done that, doesn't work by itself. I hear it often and feel frustrated that the tendency to make a statement about how to live life without hearing an individuals story and empathizing is prevalent in industry social rituals. The painful growth individuals impacted by mental health go through is excruciating. Most of us desire genuine connection with human compassion and validation of our experience. I appreciate your comment. It demonstrates a thought out response. My intent is to confront the stigma and for us to reach growth. I hope that this dialogue helps both of us to better interact with multiple walks of life.