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All true, but why mot data mine too, while they’re at it? If you’re not the customer you’re a product... but it doesn’t follow that, if you are the customer, y

All true, but why mot data mine too, while they’re at it? If you’re not the customer you’re a product... but it doesn’t follow that, if you are the customer, you’re not also a product.

iambateman 8y ago
Sure. My point is that I expect them to be respectful, not avaricious. Microsoft's knows they ought not piss off 28 million developers.
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- sangnoir 8y ago
  ...or else what? Are the developers going to mass-migrate to SourceForge?[1] Github has a lot of leeway/social capital - they are hardcoded into the infrastructure both literally and figuratively. edit: 1. I literally forgot about Gitlab as a Github substitute when I wrote the comment, interpret that as you may.
  - woolvalley 8y ago
    Bitbucket, gitlab, some other new service that takes advantage of the gap left by mismanagement?
    - sangnoir 8y ago
      I remembered Gitlab after I posted but before I saw your comment and made an edit. Github has network effects and inertia on its side - switching to any other service has a cost, and Microsoft has to piss off developers enough to justify the switch - moderate annoyances will be tolerated.
  - audleman 8y ago
    > ...or else what? Are the developers going to mass-migrate Yes, that is the obvious risk. Gitlab is the #2 in the space, right now they don't have much market share but if an avaricious corporation violated the spirit of Github? It might be the chance they need.
- ptx 8y ago
  Microsoft have already started doing this to developers (forced data-mining, a.k.a. telemetry) in .NET Core and VS Code - and to everyone in Windows 10 - so I don't see why they wouldn't do the same with Github.
teddyfrozevelt 8y ago
Because you would destroy any trust you've built up with users and people would rapidly switch to another platform, as well as the developers of the GitHub objecting to having to build that.

All true, but why mot data mine too, while they’re at it? If you’re not the customer you’re a product... but it doesn’t follow that, if you are the customer, you’re not also a product.

iambateman 8y ago

Sure. My point is that I expect them to be respectful, not avaricious. Microsoft's knows they ought not piss off 28 million developers.

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sangnoir 8y ago
...or else what? Are the developers going to mass-migrate to SourceForge?[1] Github has a lot of leeway/social capital - they are hardcoded into the infrastructure both literally and figuratively. edit: 1. I literally forgot about Gitlab as a Github substitute when I wrote the comment, interpret that as you may.
- woolvalley 8y ago
  Bitbucket, gitlab, some other new service that takes advantage of the gap left by mismanagement?
  - sangnoir 8y ago
    I remembered Gitlab after I posted but before I saw your comment and made an edit. Github has network effects and inertia on its side - switching to any other service has a cost, and Microsoft has to piss off developers enough to justify the switch - moderate annoyances will be tolerated.
- audleman 8y ago
  > ...or else what? Are the developers going to mass-migrate Yes, that is the obvious risk. Gitlab is the #2 in the space, right now they don't have much market share but if an avaricious corporation violated the spirit of Github? It might be the chance they need.
ptx 8y ago
Microsoft have already started doing this to developers (forced data-mining, a.k.a. telemetry) in .NET Core and VS Code - and to everyone in Windows 10 - so I don't see why they wouldn't do the same with Github.

teddyfrozevelt 8y ago

Because you would destroy any trust you've built up with users and people would rapidly switch to another platform, as well as the developers of the GitHub objecting to having to build that.