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.... Have you not been paying attention? A lot of women are pissed.

by village-idiot 8y ago

azinman2 8y ago
Which is very different from nearly half the population wanting to permanently emigrate.
- toufiqbarhamov 8y ago
  Maybe they see the writing on the wall with the president, senate, and especially Supreme Court and don’t want to stick around to see when their human rights get rolled back?
- village-idiot 8y ago
  Yes, but if you’re saying “I don’t see any other evidence of dissatisfaction from that cohort” then that’s because you didn’t notice it, not because it isn’t there.
  - azinman2 8y ago
    That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm specifically saying that I find that hard to believe that 40% of female youth would emigrate, or 40% of any large scale demographic of US citizens for that matter.
    - village-idiot 8y ago
      Ah, my mistake. I agree that 40% of such a large population will not emigrate, yes. But the article is saying that 40% want to leave, not that 40% will leave. Migration is complicated, expensive, and painful. It’s perfectly reasonable to expect a significant gap between interest and follow through in this area. There is however some historical precedent here. When east and west Germany united, about 10% of the population moved from east to west, most women in the 18-29 bracket. The result is that by 2012 east Germany now has 89 women per 100 men (80/100 in rural areas), a significant statistical gap. While the causes of the above were different, I’d be pretty comfortable saying that the culture shock between east/west Germany was equal to or less than the culture shock between the US and English speaking Canada. So I wouldn’t find a young female migration in the 8-10% range surprising, although I would find it deeply alarming.
      - azinman2 8y ago
        But to say that 40% want to leave would imply a considerable number will overcome whatever burdens one has, particularly in the US where the youth tend to be fairly geographically mobile in general compared to most of the world. If you told me 40% we’re displeased with the US and fantasize about living elsewhere, then I’d say that’s more realistic. But to actively want is another matter. I don’t think you can fairly compare the the unification of post-communist East Germany and everything that it implies (secret police, Cold War, differing economic systems and promises of prosperity, fashion, etc) with the US vs Canada, especially saying it was less different! Canada isn’t that fundamentally different in day to day life!
        village-idiot 8y ago
        Honestly, it seems like you’re trying to determine who has a “genuine” want to move vs. fantasizing. This is a pointless pursuit, it’s impossible to know what is anyone else’s head. If you want to nitpick the Pew’s polling, go find or make something better.

.... Have you not been paying attention? A lot of women are pissed.

azinman2 8y ago

Which is very different from nearly half the population wanting to permanently emigrate.

toufiqbarhamov 8y ago
Maybe they see the writing on the wall with the president, senate, and especially Supreme Court and don’t want to stick around to see when their human rights get rolled back?
village-idiot 8y ago
Yes, but if you’re saying “I don’t see any other evidence of dissatisfaction from that cohort” then that’s because you didn’t notice it, not because it isn’t there.
- azinman2 8y ago
  That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm specifically saying that I find that hard to believe that 40% of female youth would emigrate, or 40% of any large scale demographic of US citizens for that matter.
  - village-idiot 8y ago
    Ah, my mistake. I agree that 40% of such a large population will not emigrate, yes. But the article is saying that 40% want to leave, not that 40% will leave. Migration is complicated, expensive, and painful. It’s perfectly reasonable to expect a significant gap between interest and follow through in this area. There is however some historical precedent here. When east and west Germany united, about 10% of the population moved from east to west, most women in the 18-29 bracket. The result is that by 2012 east Germany now has 89 women per 100 men (80/100 in rural areas), a significant statistical gap. While the causes of the above were different, I’d be pretty comfortable saying that the culture shock between east/west Germany was equal to or less than the culture shock between the US and English speaking Canada. So I wouldn’t find a young female migration in the 8-10% range surprising, although I would find it deeply alarming.
    - azinman2 8y ago
      But to say that 40% want to leave would imply a considerable number will overcome whatever burdens one has, particularly in the US where the youth tend to be fairly geographically mobile in general compared to most of the world. If you told me 40% we’re displeased with the US and fantasize about living elsewhere, then I’d say that’s more realistic. But to actively want is another matter. I don’t think you can fairly compare the the unification of post-communist East Germany and everything that it implies (secret police, Cold War, differing economic systems and promises of prosperity, fashion, etc) with the US vs Canada, especially saying it was less different! Canada isn’t that fundamentally different in day to day life!
      - village-idiot 8y ago
        Honestly, it seems like you’re trying to determine who has a “genuine” want to move vs. fantasizing. This is a pointless pursuit, it’s impossible to know what is anyone else’s head. If you want to nitpick the Pew’s polling, go find or make something better.