> There is no such thing as a modern all out war I generally agree. When I've debated this topic with others they basically say the carrier groups will be the

> There is no such thing as a modern all out war I generally agree. When I've debated this topic with others they basically say the carrier groups will be the first to go, but the response from nuclear submarines, and hidden fixed launch sites would be overwhelming. Again, I'm not arguing this point, just suggesting that some may argue a strong Navy is antiquated.