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Have to wait for benchmarks to say anything definitive, but from the specs table it looks like performance is in the ballpark of the 1070. Same TFLOPS, faster m
by wlesieutre 8y ago
Have to wait for benchmarks to say anything definitive, but from the specs table it looks like performance is in the ballpark of the 1070. Same TFLOPS, faster memory clock but not as much memory, TDP is 10W higher.
At $350 that sounds like a tough sell over the 1070, which is finally down to $300 after rebate. Unless you're really excited about the raytracing stuff.
I'm underwhelmed for 2.5 years of progress since the 1070 (mid 2016). Just sticking it out with my 970 until it dies, which will hopefully be until there's something new worth upgrading to.
Maybe AMD has something more impressive up their sleeves in the mainstream price range.
- ohithereyou 8y agoRTX 2060 has Tensor cores on a mainstream, desktop offering, which might be of some interest if you want to play with deep learning at home Edit: I'm also sticking with a GTX 970 right now, mainly because I game at 1080p. When I can't get a consistent 1080p@30FPS (though I prefer 1080p@60FPS) then I will consider upgrading. Right now I'm CPU bound, not GPU bound, in any title where I get sub-60FPS.
- wlesieutre 8y agoTrue, and I think these are also used for their Deep Learning Super-Sampling system, which is another potential difference between the 1070 and 2060. Render at lower resolution and upscale with a specially trained neural network for each game.
- eklavya 8y agoIs inference fast enough to not have latency issues?
- wlesieutre 8y agoI assume there's some latency since it would need a fully rendered frame to operate on, but other postprocess AA techniques would suffer the same issue. Not a graphics expert, but I think only doing real supersampling would happen during the initial frame render instead of in series afterward, and that's going to tank performance much further than DLSS (in terms of individual frame time rather than latency, but much more significant overall). The DLSS neural network is trained off of renderings with 64x supersampling and tries to apply that to a low resolution image. In practice I wonder if there will be situations where the neural network screws up and makes strange artifacts, but the demos look impressive.
- Jnr 8y agoI'm also sticking to Nvidia GTX 970 for now but would be nice to upgrade at some point. I was hopeful about AMD's offering but after trying Ryzen 2400G APU on my Linux media box I am not going to touch new AMD hardware again with a ten foot pole any time soon. Their Linux drivers are a nightmare, freezing display all the time, requiring power cycling. Nvidia works nicely and I don't really mind the bigger price tag.
- holtalanm 8y agoI can't speak for linux currently, as I stopped running that in lieu of the Windows Subsystem for Linux, but I havent had any of those problems on either of my AMD-gpu-powered machines on windows. (one running Vega 8 integrated, the other running an RX 580 4G). it definitely sounds like a driver compatibility issue. AMD cards have had....issues on linux for a long while now. I remember running a laptop with a dedicated AMD card about 10 years ago that wouldn't work on linux without installing a 3rd-party driver because their switchable graphics implementation was god-awful.
- BuckRogers 8y agoWhile I love Linux Mint and Antergos (for rolling), I'm a Windows-based C# dev, and WSL would be my choice as well. Other than increased hardware compatibility the big win is battery life when mobile. Not really a factor for me as I develop on a Ryzen 2700X, but Windows 10 with Edge (soon to be Chromium based) or macOS with Safari is as good as it gets for battery life. I doubt a primarily server OS like Linux will ever match Windows or macOS in this regard, though I certainly wouldn't mind seeing it happen.
- holtalanm 8y agoyeah. battery life is a real concern as well when mobile for me on my ryzen laptop. It doesn't have a very large battery. lol
- opencl 8y agoRaven Ridge APUs in particular are terrible, every other piece of AMD hardware has very dramatically better Linux support than NVIDIA's GPUs.
- alexott 8y agoAnd it’s only 6Gb memory :-(
- Brockenstein 8y agoWell that's only a problem if 6GB isn't enough, and for the time being it's more than plenty.
- alexott 8y agoI’m getting from time to time to limits of training of relatively small models
- onli 8y agoFor games, benchmarks are released. Computerbase for example has their review article online, https://www.computerbase.de/2019-01/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-test/ https://www.computerbase.de/2019-01/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-.... For that workload it's at the level of a GTX 1080/RTX 2070 when overclocked, only a bit lower on stock. Pretty good, and clearly faster than the 1070.
- wlesieutre 8y agoInteresting, that does make it look compelling over the 1070. I wish they'd stop bumping everything further up the price ladder every generation though.
- onli 8y agoWell, it sits exactly where it has to sit price-wise to counter AMD's Vega 56, which is more expensive, more energy hungry and a bit slower. And the faster Vega 64 eats even more energy and is even more expensive, so it counters that as well. When or if AMD ever releases a competitive card outside of the mid-performance level Nvidia will adjust prices, until then their only limit is what customers are willing to pay. It's exactly what Intel did pre Ryzen.
- holtalanm 8y agoto be fair, I thought the Vega cards were only more expensive because crypto-miners found out they worked better for mining than the nvidia cards? Unless I am mistaken, in which case, ignore this.
- kevingadd 8y agoOne thing of note about the 20xx cards that doesn't get talked up much is that they have an updated version of the NVENC video encoder that produces much better quality than the 10xx cards' at the same bitrate. A big deal if you're aiming to do realtime video capture or live streaming.
- tapland 8y agoHow do you take advantage of that while streaming?
- wmf 8y agoThey announced that OBS "just works" with NVENC.
- tracker1 8y agoWonder how h.265 compares to x265 in terms of quality... on my 1080 it took about 50% more size to get the same quality (so between x264/x265 sizes respectively), but oh so much faster to encode.
- setgree 8y ago> Have to wait for benchmarks to say anything definitive ask and ye shall receive https://www.anandtech.com/show/13762/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-founders-edition-6gb-review https://www.anandtech.com/show/13762/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060...
- zokier 8y agoSee also https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/2372?vs=2147 https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/2372?vs=2147 Seems like ~10% faster and 10% more expensive. So not completely unreasonable deal imho.
- webaholic 8y agoThat is the whole point of pricing it so high. They want to move the 1000 series stock of which they are sitting on a huge pile of.
- ksec 8y ago>I'm underwhelmed for 2.5 years of progress since the 1070 (mid 2016). Cant blame Nvidia or AMD. GPU's performance Scales very well with transistors count. As long as the next node is ready in GPU maker's pricing equation, you will get more transistors and hence more performance. And this is now largely down to TSMC. At the current schedule it may take up to Mid / late 2021 before a 7nm 2060 drop price by half.