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Mozilla Corp keep painting themselves as the only bearers of the Mozilla Manifesto values. But the reality is that MoCo has done so many missteps that they have

Mozilla Corp keep painting themselves as the only bearers of the Mozilla Manifesto values. But the reality is that MoCo has done so many missteps that they have lost all credibility there. You are still relying on the same and only end user product as in 2004 and drink the coolaid of Mitchell's talks twice a year at the all hands. You are losing against chromium because gecko was never made a platform for others to use. There is not even a platform engineering group with its own VP since it got folded into Firefox when the engineering VP decided to cut the support for the only other gecko product, FirefoxOS. But hey, he's still on the payroll with an executive assistant making his haircut appointments, so all is fine! The management is so risk adverse it's ridiculous given how much they have in the bank. The good news is that innovation on the web happens in other places now - just look at all dweb projects, another area that MoCo refused to staff at a decent level.

jcranmer 8y ago
> the only other gecko product, FirefoxOS. Thunderbird still has more users than FirefoxOS ever did. At a technological failure, the more-or-less passive decision to abandon any embedding story for Gecko is probably Mozilla's single biggest fault. (I say more-or-less passive because the transition to Gecko 2.0 necessitated adjusting embedding hooks, and the original intent was that it would be temporary until a new embedding story could be worked out. The direct embedding was then abandoned in favor XULRunner, itself abandoned in favor of webapprt, itself abandoned in favor of... nothing, so far as I know).
- BrendanEich 8y ago
  KaiOS has 50M users heading toward 100M. This is the lineal descendant of FirefoxOS and shows that the latter failed only due to Mozilla leadership failures. Blaming it for weakness within Firefox or non-OS platform teams is self-refuting.

jcranmer 8y ago

> the only other gecko product, FirefoxOS. Thunderbird still has more users than FirefoxOS ever did. At a technological failure, the more-or-less passive decision to abandon any embedding story for Gecko is probably Mozilla's single biggest fault. (I say more-or-less passive because the transition to Gecko 2.0 necessitated adjusting embedding hooks, and the original intent was that it would be temporary until a new embedding story could be worked out. The direct embedding was then abandoned in favor XULRunner, itself abandoned in favor of webapprt, itself abandoned in favor of... nothing, so far as I know).

BrendanEich 8y ago
KaiOS has 50M users heading toward 100M. This is the lineal descendant of FirefoxOS and shows that the latter failed only due to Mozilla leadership failures. Blaming it for weakness within Firefox or non-OS platform teams is self-refuting.