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Norway is a member of the single market via the EEA and Switzerland essentially is because of it's bilateral treaties. The UK is proposing to leave the single

Norway is a member of the single market via the EEA and Switzerland essentially is because of it's bilateral treaties. The UK is proposing to leave the single market (in the best case)

lazyjones 8y ago
> The UK is proposing to leave the single market (in the best case) No, May wants to stay in the single market, the EU is refusing that option. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/single-market-brexit-eu-trade-deals-what-is-uk-leave-european-union-why-a8557176.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/single-market... This stubbornness on behalf of the EU will damage both sides economically and thus be corrected at some point when the current EU administration is replaced by a more reasonable one.
- namdnay 8y ago
  > May wants to stay in the single market, the EU is refusing that option If you can't have your cake and eat it too, it's not the baker's fault...
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  - CaptainZapp 8y ago
    Well, you can certainly have your cake and eat it. The problem is that the baker expects payment and it seems that the UK is just not willing to cough up for the cake.
- pjc50 8y ago
  Single market access is conditional on accepting freedom of movement, it's not a gratuitous refusal.
- jcranmer 8y ago
  The Brexit movement has generally rejected calls for a Norwegian or Swiss "you're in the single market but you have to follow most of the EU rules without having a say in their governance." (Not that the Swiss model in particular was on offer, because the EU is pretty unhappy with the amount of specialness it generates).
- Xylakant 8y ago
  The UK could easily stay in the single market by officially canceling brexit. It’s even a unilateral decision. It’s just that you cannot pick the benefits of being a EU member while shedding the obligations. In that regard it’s no different from a good old fashioned British Club.
  - lazyjones 8y ago
    > It’s just that you cannot pick the benefits of being a EU member while shedding the obligations. Of course you can, it's a matter of negotiations. UK has/had plenty of exemptions as EU member and Switzerland for example is not part of Schengen but in the single market. It amazes me how people here think that the EU is somehow the entity that makes up all the rules. It's not, deals are bilateral.
    - Xylakant 8y ago
      Sure, deals are bilateral. Good luck trying to get the EU to give up one of its core principles to a country that cannot even get its government to agree on a consistent negotiation position.
      - lazyjones 8y ago
        > Good luck trying to get the EU to give up one of its core principles to a country that cannot even get its government to agree on a consistent negotiation position. The UK government is far more consistent than the EU currently. Name one important issue where the EU has reached a satisfactory agreement and results. Migration? Social security? EU army? Nope. But just like the tone of your comment, the EU position on Brexit is governed by arrogance, ideological motives and fear of a chain reaction, not reason. Therefore the result will likely be bad for both sides.
        chimprich 8y ago
        > Name one important issue where the EU has reached a satisfactory agreement and results. Whenever someone asks for one single thing, they don't mean it. I predict anything I name will either not be important enough or you will not consider anything less than complete unanimity across the continent to be satisfactory. But fine, I'll play. Abolition of mobile roaming charges across the EU.
- JAlexoid 8y ago
  "The European Single Market, Internal Market or Common Market is a single market which seeks to guarantee the free movement of goods, capital, services, and labour – the "four freedoms" – within the European Union (EU)." That labour thing is unrestricted migration. I'm 100% sure that migration is the red line. So... Yeah! May is proposing to leave EU Single Market.

Norway is a member of the single market via the EEA and Switzerland essentially is because of it's bilateral treaties. The UK is proposing to leave the single market (in the best case)

lazyjones 8y ago

> The UK is proposing to leave the single market (in the best case) No, May wants to stay in the single market, the EU is refusing that option. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/single-market-brexit-eu-trade-deals-what-is-uk-leave-european-union-why-a8557176.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/single-market... This stubbornness on behalf of the EU will damage both sides economically and thus be corrected at some point when the current EU administration is replaced by a more reasonable one.

namdnay 8y ago
> May wants to stay in the single market, the EU is refusing that option If you can't have your cake and eat it too, it's not the baker's fault...
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- CaptainZapp 8y ago
  Well, you can certainly have your cake and eat it. The problem is that the baker expects payment and it seems that the UK is just not willing to cough up for the cake.
pjc50 8y ago
Single market access is conditional on accepting freedom of movement, it's not a gratuitous refusal.
jcranmer 8y ago
The Brexit movement has generally rejected calls for a Norwegian or Swiss "you're in the single market but you have to follow most of the EU rules without having a say in their governance." (Not that the Swiss model in particular was on offer, because the EU is pretty unhappy with the amount of specialness it generates).
Xylakant 8y ago
The UK could easily stay in the single market by officially canceling brexit. It’s even a unilateral decision. It’s just that you cannot pick the benefits of being a EU member while shedding the obligations. In that regard it’s no different from a good old fashioned British Club.
- lazyjones 8y ago
  > It’s just that you cannot pick the benefits of being a EU member while shedding the obligations. Of course you can, it's a matter of negotiations. UK has/had plenty of exemptions as EU member and Switzerland for example is not part of Schengen but in the single market. It amazes me how people here think that the EU is somehow the entity that makes up all the rules. It's not, deals are bilateral.
  - Xylakant 8y ago
    Sure, deals are bilateral. Good luck trying to get the EU to give up one of its core principles to a country that cannot even get its government to agree on a consistent negotiation position.
    - lazyjones 8y ago
      > Good luck trying to get the EU to give up one of its core principles to a country that cannot even get its government to agree on a consistent negotiation position. The UK government is far more consistent than the EU currently. Name one important issue where the EU has reached a satisfactory agreement and results. Migration? Social security? EU army? Nope. But just like the tone of your comment, the EU position on Brexit is governed by arrogance, ideological motives and fear of a chain reaction, not reason. Therefore the result will likely be bad for both sides.
      - chimprich 8y ago
        > Name one important issue where the EU has reached a satisfactory agreement and results. Whenever someone asks for one single thing, they don't mean it. I predict anything I name will either not be important enough or you will not consider anything less than complete unanimity across the continent to be satisfactory. But fine, I'll play. Abolition of mobile roaming charges across the EU.
JAlexoid 8y ago
"The European Single Market, Internal Market or Common Market is a single market which seeks to guarantee the free movement of goods, capital, services, and labour – the "four freedoms" – within the European Union (EU)." That labour thing is unrestricted migration. I'm 100% sure that migration is the red line. So... Yeah! May is proposing to leave EU Single Market.