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I have always love wikileaks for what they do. It is very sad to see that there is so much wrong information and it makes me believe that there is indeed a smea

by mhkool 8y ago

I have always love wikileaks for what they do. It is very sad to see that there is so much wrong information and it makes me believe that there is indeed a smear campaign against Julian Assange and wilileaks.

ucaetano 8y ago
Didn't you get the memo, you're not supposed to talk about that, WL doesn't want you to.
geofft 8y ago
Should not people have freedom of speech?
- chrismeller 8y ago
  I don't have an opinion on the idea of a smear campaign one way or the other, but just because people have the right to say whatever they feel does not mean that there isn't some organized effort to coordinate those individuals' speech.
  - geofft 8y ago
    Should not people have freedom of association?
    - na85 8y ago
      Lots of "bag things" are legal. What's your point?
nness 8y ago
If anything, can't but help feel that WikiLeaks informed how the ICIJ handled the leaked 11.5 million leaked documents that comprised the 'Panama Papers.' The involvement of multiple journalists, across different organisations, really adds authenticity that the information was handled objectively and fairly. There's been very little criticism of that fact, at least when compared to WikiLeak's handling of other materials.
- walrus01 8y ago
  Looking at how the Sueddeutsche Zeitung handled the Panama Papers, this is how reputable, responsible and professional journalists should deal with a massive leak. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%BCddeutsche_Zeitung https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%BCddeutsche_Zeitung https://panamapapers.sueddeutsche.de/en/ https://panamapapers.sueddeutsche.de/en/
- r3bl 8y ago
  > Even WikiLeaks didn’t answer its tip line repeatedly. The media has failed. Direct quote from the Panama Papers source[0], after which Wikileaks "slammed" the source for not releasing the full leak. That was such an obvious defamation attempt that Wikileaks disgusts me ever since. That wasn't the only defamation attempt around Panama Papers that Wikileaks attempted. Check out this[1] investigative gem, in which they've used a secret technique called "scrolling to the bottom to see the donors". I worked at that organization at the time and specifically remember myself thinking "Fuck you Julian, we're supposed to be on the same side." Edited to add: Of course, Russian media picked up on that tweet immediately[2]. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/may/06/panama-papers-source-breaks-silence-over-scale-of-injustices https://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/may/06/panama-papers-s... [1] https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/717458064324964352 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/717458064324964352 [2] https://www.rt.com/news/338683-wikileaks-usaid-putin-attack/ https://www.rt.com/news/338683-wikileaks-usaid-putin-attack/
  - RealityVoid 8y ago
    OCCRP does amazing investigative journalism. I know in Romania, Rise project is associated with them, and they have some amazing pieces.
deiznof 8y ago
There's been a smear campaign for ages. The HB Gary/Palantir stuff was just the tip of the iceburg it seems.

by mhkool 8y ago

ucaetano 8y ago

Didn't you get the memo, you're not supposed to talk about that, WL doesn't want you to.

geofft 8y ago

Should not people have freedom of speech?

chrismeller 8y ago
I don't have an opinion on the idea of a smear campaign one way or the other, but just because people have the right to say whatever they feel does not mean that there isn't some organized effort to coordinate those individuals' speech.
- geofft 8y ago
  Should not people have freedom of association?
  - na85 8y ago
    Lots of "bag things" are legal. What's your point?

nness 8y ago

If anything, can't but help feel that WikiLeaks informed how the ICIJ handled the leaked 11.5 million leaked documents that comprised the 'Panama Papers.' The involvement of multiple journalists, across different organisations, really adds authenticity that the information was handled objectively and fairly. There's been very little criticism of that fact, at least when compared to WikiLeak's handling of other materials.

walrus01 8y ago
Looking at how the Sueddeutsche Zeitung handled the Panama Papers, this is how reputable, responsible and professional journalists should deal with a massive leak. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%BCddeutsche_Zeitung https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%BCddeutsche_Zeitung https://panamapapers.sueddeutsche.de/en/ https://panamapapers.sueddeutsche.de/en/
r3bl 8y ago
> Even WikiLeaks didn’t answer its tip line repeatedly. The media has failed. Direct quote from the Panama Papers source[0], after which Wikileaks "slammed" the source for not releasing the full leak. That was such an obvious defamation attempt that Wikileaks disgusts me ever since. That wasn't the only defamation attempt around Panama Papers that Wikileaks attempted. Check out this[1] investigative gem, in which they've used a secret technique called "scrolling to the bottom to see the donors". I worked at that organization at the time and specifically remember myself thinking "Fuck you Julian, we're supposed to be on the same side." Edited to add: Of course, Russian media picked up on that tweet immediately[2]. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/may/06/panama-papers-source-breaks-silence-over-scale-of-injustices https://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/may/06/panama-papers-s... [1] https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/717458064324964352 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/717458064324964352 [2] https://www.rt.com/news/338683-wikileaks-usaid-putin-attack/ https://www.rt.com/news/338683-wikileaks-usaid-putin-attack/
- RealityVoid 8y ago
  OCCRP does amazing investigative journalism. I know in Romania, Rise project is associated with them, and they have some amazing pieces.

deiznof 8y ago

There's been a smear campaign for ages. The HB Gary/Palantir stuff was just the tip of the iceburg it seems.