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> I bet the vast majority This is the crux of your assertion and requires substantiation. On the other hands, all these Linux user might be doing you "a favou

by rusk 8y ago

> I bet the vast majority This is the crux of your assertion and requires substantiation. On the other hands, all these Linux user might be doing you "a favour" taking the time to log these tickets that less conscientious users on other systems would. Of course that does depend on the classification of the tickets but coming from that community I wouldn't expect them to be trivial issues ...

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Jach 8y ago
It's even more of a favor if the bugs aren't just linux-only. But if they're in gfx drivers like the tweet implies and auto-reported, the only thing you'd really care about is "newest drivers?" Same as the parade of crashes in Windows for the same reason, you want to just tell people to update.
- bluedino 8y ago
  Which is why chromium pulled support for certain drivers on linux
  - r3bl 8y ago
    They didn't pull the support at all. They've added another driver to a long list of blocklisted drivers that cause issues with the hardware acceleration. Nothing about that list is Linux-specific, as it includes a bunch of macOS and Windows drivers as well: https://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/gpu/config/software_rendering_list_json.cc https://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/gpu/config/... Firefox does that too: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Blocklisting/Blocked_Graphics_Drivers https://wiki.mozilla.org/Blocklisting/Blocked_Graphics_Drive... Between a crashy browser thanks to a crappy driver and a stable browser without hardware acceleration, browsers will always just take the latter route. Don't like it? Run it with a flag and expect it to be a little less stable. That's it. You absolutely can't blame neither the browser nor the platform for that, only the vendor of the driver (or in this specific case NVidia, since it's actively hostile to the vendor).
- rusk 8y ago
  I'd expect that class of bug is easy enough to triage ... what's the problem?
munificent 8y ago
> requires substantiation. From the linked series of tweets: "In the end they accounted for <0.1% of sales but >20% of auto reported crashes and support tickets (most gfx driver related)." "So yes, fragmentation is still totally an issue." "We eventually laid out a guide with known good versions of Linux and graphics drivers, but it didn't matter. Part of the allure of Linux is the customizability, so few actually stuck to it, and generally wanted to run the game on older hardware we didn't support."

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Jach 8y ago

It's even more of a favor if the bugs aren't just linux-only. But if they're in gfx drivers like the tweet implies and auto-reported, the only thing you'd really care about is "newest drivers?" Same as the parade of crashes in Windows for the same reason, you want to just tell people to update.

bluedino 8y ago
Which is why chromium pulled support for certain drivers on linux
- r3bl 8y ago
  They didn't pull the support at all. They've added another driver to a long list of blocklisted drivers that cause issues with the hardware acceleration. Nothing about that list is Linux-specific, as it includes a bunch of macOS and Windows drivers as well: https://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/gpu/config/software_rendering_list_json.cc https://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/gpu/config/... Firefox does that too: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Blocklisting/Blocked_Graphics_Drivers https://wiki.mozilla.org/Blocklisting/Blocked_Graphics_Drive... Between a crashy browser thanks to a crappy driver and a stable browser without hardware acceleration, browsers will always just take the latter route. Don't like it? Run it with a flag and expect it to be a little less stable. That's it. You absolutely can't blame neither the browser nor the platform for that, only the vendor of the driver (or in this specific case NVidia, since it's actively hostile to the vendor).
rusk 8y ago
I'd expect that class of bug is easy enough to triage ... what's the problem?

munificent 8y ago

> requires substantiation. From the linked series of tweets: "In the end they accounted for <0.1% of sales but >20% of auto reported crashes and support tickets (most gfx driver related)." "So yes, fragmentation is still totally an issue." "We eventually laid out a guide with known good versions of Linux and graphics drivers, but it didn't matter. Part of the allure of Linux is the customizability, so few actually stuck to it, and generally wanted to run the game on older hardware we didn't support."