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Curiously, is it better to be anti-theist than anti-Muslim? I have a feeling like I can be against religion, but not one religion.

Spivak 8y ago
You can be against the the faith tied to your ethnicity. So if you're ethnically Christian you can rail against the Catholic church specifically all day long. Not trying to say whether this is right or wrong, just that you can hate a particular religion with impunity as long as you're part of the in-group.
- andybak 8y ago
  So how does this rule work if there's multiple faiths tied to your ethnicity?
  - Spivak 8y ago
    You can be against all of them I would think. I'm not trying to make a comment on whether any of this is 'right' just that there is an example where you can dislike a particular religion with impunity because you're part of the in-group.
- alkibiades 8y ago
  that’s really racist. what race is associated with Islam? Only someone whose never traveled and been to malaysia or pakistan or iran or turkey could lump them all as one ethnic group.
  - Spivak 8y ago
    Would you prefer the term culturally Muslim/Jewish/Christian? It's not that they're the same, it's that they share a lot of similar moral values, traditions, cultural elements, and have a shared ancestry. It is closely related to, but not defined by, their faith. I mean the French, British, Russians, Spanish, Germans, Americans, Italians, etc. are all extremely different but they nonetheless get lumped into 'White (which is damn-near the same thing as ethnically Christian).
    - type0 8y ago
      There's no such thing as culturally muslim or christian, you could argue about jewish faith sometimes since it's ethnocentric, but just because these are abrahamitic religions doesn't mean you could lump those together. > nonetheless get lumped into 'White (which is damn-near the same thing as ethnically Christian). you said it yourself, it's lumping everything together. This never leads to anything good, just look at Jugoslavian war, same people or at least closely related ethnically and nevertheless so atrocious; that's what religion, hate and envy for patches of lands could lead to.
- rdtsc 8y ago
  > So if you're ethnically Christian How does that work? Russians are ethnically Christian I presume, but they are Orthodox Christians so do they get a license to rail against the Catholic church or would that be "hate speech". What about railing against Mormons? Or does that only extend to the religious sect that is traditionally associated with that ethnic group in that particular area? I see the idea I think, but it seem it needs to be defined a bit more precisely to be useful.
drb311 8y ago
Britain First is not for or against any religion. It's for traditional white British culture against anything new or brown. They're full of hate. They should be allowed to speak but they ain't borrowing my megaphone. Good on Facebook for feeling the same (at last).
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Spivak 8y ago

You can be against the the faith tied to your ethnicity. So if you're ethnically Christian you can rail against the Catholic church specifically all day long. Not trying to say whether this is right or wrong, just that you can hate a particular religion with impunity as long as you're part of the in-group.

andybak 8y ago
So how does this rule work if there's multiple faiths tied to your ethnicity?
- Spivak 8y ago
  You can be against all of them I would think. I'm not trying to make a comment on whether any of this is 'right' just that there is an example where you can dislike a particular religion with impunity because you're part of the in-group.
alkibiades 8y ago
that’s really racist. what race is associated with Islam? Only someone whose never traveled and been to malaysia or pakistan or iran or turkey could lump them all as one ethnic group.
- Spivak 8y ago
  Would you prefer the term culturally Muslim/Jewish/Christian? It's not that they're the same, it's that they share a lot of similar moral values, traditions, cultural elements, and have a shared ancestry. It is closely related to, but not defined by, their faith. I mean the French, British, Russians, Spanish, Germans, Americans, Italians, etc. are all extremely different but they nonetheless get lumped into 'White (which is damn-near the same thing as ethnically Christian).
  - type0 8y ago
    There's no such thing as culturally muslim or christian, you could argue about jewish faith sometimes since it's ethnocentric, but just because these are abrahamitic religions doesn't mean you could lump those together. > nonetheless get lumped into 'White (which is damn-near the same thing as ethnically Christian). you said it yourself, it's lumping everything together. This never leads to anything good, just look at Jugoslavian war, same people or at least closely related ethnically and nevertheless so atrocious; that's what religion, hate and envy for patches of lands could lead to.
rdtsc 8y ago
> So if you're ethnically Christian How does that work? Russians are ethnically Christian I presume, but they are Orthodox Christians so do they get a license to rail against the Catholic church or would that be "hate speech". What about railing against Mormons? Or does that only extend to the religious sect that is traditionally associated with that ethnic group in that particular area? I see the idea I think, but it seem it needs to be defined a bit more precisely to be useful.

drb311 8y ago

Britain First is not for or against any religion. It's for traditional white British culture against anything new or brown. They're full of hate. They should be allowed to speak but they ain't borrowing my megaphone. Good on Facebook for feeling the same (at last).

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