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why is that hate speech? i don’t want more churches built, is that hate speech?
by alkibiades 8y ago
why is that hate speech? i don’t want more churches built, is that hate speech?
- geofft 8y agoYes.
- irb 8y agois your campaign against more churches being built part of an overall plan to drive christians out of your area?
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- lclarkmichalek 8y agohttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/14/facebook-bans-britain-first-and-its-leaders https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/14/facebook-bans-... They got banned a while back, not relating to this specific advert.
- Spivak 8y agoIt depends, why don't you want more churches built? Because it's a Muslim church and you don't like them? Because you're an anti-theist? Because you don't like the noise? Because you think their application for a zoning exception is shaky?
- asdkhadsj 8y agoCuriously, is it better to be anti-theist than anti-Muslim? I have a feeling like I can be against religion, but not one religion.
- Spivak 8y agoYou can be against the the faith tied to your ethnicity. So if you're ethnically Christian you can rail against the Catholic church specifically all day long. Not trying to say whether this is right or wrong, just that you can hate a particular religion with impunity as long as you're part of the in-group.
- andybak 8y agoSo how does this rule work if there's multiple faiths tied to your ethnicity?
- Spivak 8y agoYou can be against all of them I would think. I'm not trying to make a comment on whether any of this is 'right' just that there is an example where you can dislike a particular religion with impunity because you're part of the in-group.
- alkibiades 8y agothat’s really racist. what race is associated with Islam? Only someone whose never traveled and been to malaysia or pakistan or iran or turkey could lump them all as one ethnic group.
- Spivak 8y agoWould you prefer the term culturally Muslim/Jewish/Christian? It's not that they're the same, it's that they share a lot of similar moral values, traditions, cultural elements, and have a shared ancestry. It is closely related to, but not defined by, their faith. I mean the French, British, Russians, Spanish, Germans, Americans, Italians, etc. are all extremely different but they nonetheless get lumped into 'White (which is damn-near the same thing as ethnically Christian).
- type0 8y agoThere's no such thing as culturally muslim or christian, you could argue about jewish faith sometimes since it's ethnocentric, but just because these are abrahamitic religions doesn't mean you could lump those together. > nonetheless get lumped into 'White (which is damn-near the same thing as ethnically Christian). you said it yourself, it's lumping everything together. This never leads to anything good, just look at Jugoslavian war, same people or at least closely related ethnically and nevertheless so atrocious; that's what religion, hate and envy for patches of lands could lead to.
- drb311 8y agoBritain First is not for or against any religion. It's for traditional white British culture against anything new or brown. They're full of hate. They should be allowed to speak but they ain't borrowing my megaphone. Good on Facebook for feeling the same (at last).
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- fxfan 8y agoI don't agree with Christianity's stand on gays. Hence no more churches. I don't agree with islam's stance on gays and women and adultery. Hence no more mosques. Am I a hater?
- toomuchtodo 8y ago> Am I a hater? No, you are intolerant of hate and prioritize human rights about superstition, custom, and tribalism.
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- saint_fiasco 8y agoYes. Preventing the construction of mosques and churches does not actually help women and gay people. All it does is hurt their enemies, and that is not the same thing.
- xolorg 8y agoYou are a hater for saying he is a hater.
- growlist 8y ago..and this is the problem with hate speech - it involves perceived intent and thus the criminalisation of thought.
- Buldak 8y agoThis could be said of many more crimes than hate speech.
- ABCLAW 8y agoWait until you find out that mens rea exists.
- growlist 8y agoShallow comment. Suggest you read this: http://barristerblogger.com/2018/03/18/the-met-has-a-problem-with-hate-crime-it-cant-explain-what-it-means/ http://barristerblogger.com/2018/03/18/the-met-has-a-problem...
- dragonwriter 8y agoIntent is also an element of murder, so I guess that's criminalization of thought, too.
- drugme 8y agoI don’t want more churches built, is that hate speech? Yes. What business is it of yours what people do behind closed doors? (EDIT: assuming that behavior is otherwise law-abiding, in compliance with building codes, etc).
- Cthulhu_ 8y agoDepends. If they diddle kids behind closed doors it's very much the law's business (for example). I'm not saying that's happening here, I'm making an example. Churches are not exempt from the law, neither is any kind of private property for that matter. Besides, there are valid reasons to be against the building of a church near your house - noise for example (church bells, prayer songs).
- rootusrootus 8y agoChurches get de facto public financing to support their proselytizing. It's okay to have an opinion on whether we should subsidize more of them.
- asdkhadsj 8y agoObjectively, lots of our business. Mainly because what is done behind closed doors rarely stays behind closed doors, and also because of said crimes that can occur behind closed doors. Ie, I can't sit behind closed doors and commit horrible crimes against humans and then claim "What business is it of yours?". That of course is not to say that we don't have some right to privacy, to independence and etc. Yet, standing behind a claim of "what happens behind closed doors is none of your business" seems to willfully ignore so much.
- YorkshireSeason 8y agoWhat people do behind closed doors tends to affect what they do openly. Religion has historically always been used as a tool to assert political power. Mosques often get financed by undemocratic regimes, in particular Mohammad bin Salman's Saudi-Arabia, which most definitely funds Mosques in a political influence operation.