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> Ads for a Britain First petition to stop a mosque being built in Maidstone, Kent, appeared on Facebook over the Christmas period, despite the group being bann
by baddox 8y ago
> Ads for a Britain First petition to stop a mosque being built in Maidstone, Kent, appeared on Facebook over the Christmas period, despite the group being banned by the social network.
> The three ads and the page on which they originated have now been removed, after BBC News contacted Facebook.
I think it’s safe to say that the “to stop a mosque being built” is the important phrase here.
- alkibiades 8y agowhy is that hate speech? i don’t want more churches built, is that hate speech?
- geofft 8y agoYes.
- irb 8y agois your campaign against more churches being built part of an overall plan to drive christians out of your area?
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- lclarkmichalek 8y agohttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/14/facebook-bans-britain-first-and-its-leaders https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/14/facebook-bans-... They got banned a while back, not relating to this specific advert.
- Spivak 8y agoIt depends, why don't you want more churches built? Because it's a Muslim church and you don't like them? Because you're an anti-theist? Because you don't like the noise? Because you think their application for a zoning exception is shaky?
- asdkhadsj 8y agoCuriously, is it better to be anti-theist than anti-Muslim? I have a feeling like I can be against religion, but not one religion.
- Spivak 8y agoYou can be against the the faith tied to your ethnicity. So if you're ethnically Christian you can rail against the Catholic church specifically all day long. Not trying to say whether this is right or wrong, just that you can hate a particular religion with impunity as long as you're part of the in-group.
- andybak 8y agoSo how does this rule work if there's multiple faiths tied to your ethnicity?
- Spivak 8y agoYou can be against all of them I would think. I'm not trying to make a comment on whether any of this is 'right' just that there is an example where you can dislike a particular religion with impunity because you're part of the in-group.
- alkibiades 8y agothat’s really racist. what race is associated with Islam? Only someone whose never traveled and been to malaysia or pakistan or iran or turkey could lump them all as one ethnic group.
- Spivak 8y agoWould you prefer the term culturally Muslim/Jewish/Christian? It's not that they're the same, it's that they share a lot of similar moral values, traditions, cultural elements, and have a shared ancestry. It is closely related to, but not defined by, their faith. I mean the French, British, Russians, Spanish, Germans, Americans, Italians, etc. are all extremely different but they nonetheless get lumped into 'White (which is damn-near the same thing as ethnically Christian).
- drugme 8y agoI don’t want more churches built, is that hate speech? Yes. What business is it of yours what people do behind closed doors? (EDIT: assuming that behavior is otherwise law-abiding, in compliance with building codes, etc).
- Cthulhu_ 8y agoDepends. If they diddle kids behind closed doors it's very much the law's business (for example). I'm not saying that's happening here, I'm making an example. Churches are not exempt from the law, neither is any kind of private property for that matter. Besides, there are valid reasons to be against the building of a church near your house - noise for example (church bells, prayer songs).
- rootusrootus 8y agoChurches get de facto public financing to support their proselytizing. It's okay to have an opinion on whether we should subsidize more of them.
- asdkhadsj 8y agoObjectively, lots of our business. Mainly because what is done behind closed doors rarely stays behind closed doors, and also because of said crimes that can occur behind closed doors. Ie, I can't sit behind closed doors and commit horrible crimes against humans and then claim "What business is it of yours?". That of course is not to say that we don't have some right to privacy, to independence and etc. Yet, standing behind a claim of "what happens behind closed doors is none of your business" seems to willfully ignore so much.
- YorkshireSeason 8y agoWhat people do behind closed doors tends to affect what they do openly. Religion has historically always been used as a tool to assert political power. Mosques often get financed by undemocratic regimes, in particular Mohammad bin Salman's Saudi-Arabia, which most definitely funds Mosques in a political influence operation.
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- detaro 8y ago> I think it’s safe to say Why do you think it's that and not the fact they were banned before?
- nemo44x 8y agoThe irony is their countries flag depicts a Christian cross and they have a national religion. I can see why people are confused.
- ben_w 8y agoThat’s the first I’ve heard that the Union Jack or any part of it is a Christian cross. Proportions all seem wrong for that. I agree with the point about state religion though.
- nemo44x 8y agoIt’s St. George’s Cross and a symbol of the Crusades. The Union Jack is a combination of flags. England is its own country among the UK, remember.
- davweb 8y agoThe Union Jack comprises the cross of St George, the cross of St Andrew and the cross of the St Patrick. It's nothing but Christian crosses.
- xolorg 8y agoHow is that hate speech...