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Just because morality is subjective doesn’t mean there aren’t rights that we must deem fundamental and defend globally. This knee jerk relativism is getting ol

Just because morality is subjective doesn’t mean there aren’t rights that we must deem fundamental and defend globally. This knee jerk relativism is getting old. Just because morality exists outside of systems of formal logic, doesnt make it any less important. It is still up for debate.

StavrosK 8y ago
Which right is more fundamental? My right of deciding my own morality, or your right of enforcing your global values?
- perfmode 8y ago
  > All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood. The above is an example of a “global value” to be enforced. If that is being violated anywhere, it is a problem.
- ForHackernews 8y ago
  Nobody is forcing Saudis to watch a Netflix show they find morally repugnant -- the Saudi government prevented its citizens from seeing something politically sensitive. I can't believe posters on HN are defending this.
  - perfmode 8y ago
    Indeed. I can’t for the life of me understand what motivates people on this forum to behave this way...
  - StavrosK 8y ago
    Who's defending this? I, specifically, didn't talk about this specific instance at all.
    - perfmode 8y ago
      Pick a position.
      - StavrosK 8y ago
        Right, because there must be enforceable universal moralities for Netflix to decide that they don't want to remove an episode.
        perfmode 8y ago
        My issue with your participation in this discussion is that you think you are moving the discussion forward when you post a less-wrong link to support your statement about moral relativism. And you maintain the same sense of correctness even as it is explained to you that your argument is regressive and unhelpful.
        StavrosK 8y ago
        I posted exactly two comments on this, one saying that there are no "proper values", and one asking what they would look like if there were. Commenters mistaking this for me condoning what Netflix did or making some broader assumption are just that, mistaken. You did answer my question with an example, but I chose not to reply because I thought that if two sentences can be misconstrued so badly, more sentences wouldn't make anything better, but, since you replied, I will ask you: > All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights If a woman decides that she wants to cover her face with a burqa and we legislate a burqa ban, are we following her right to freedom or are we oppressing her? If a society votes that they don't want to see nudity on TV, is it right for another society to not adhere to that? Is it moral for Spotify to censor songs that the US finds offensive, even though Sweden disagrees?
        yakshaving_jgt 8y ago
        If me and a friend vote to kill you, are we right to do that?

StavrosK 8y ago

Which right is more fundamental? My right of deciding my own morality, or your right of enforcing your global values?

perfmode 8y ago
> All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood. The above is an example of a “global value” to be enforced. If that is being violated anywhere, it is a problem.
ForHackernews 8y ago
Nobody is forcing Saudis to watch a Netflix show they find morally repugnant -- the Saudi government prevented its citizens from seeing something politically sensitive. I can't believe posters on HN are defending this.
- perfmode 8y ago
  Indeed. I can’t for the life of me understand what motivates people on this forum to behave this way...
- StavrosK 8y ago
  Who's defending this? I, specifically, didn't talk about this specific instance at all.
  - perfmode 8y ago
    Pick a position.
    - StavrosK 8y ago
      Right, because there must be enforceable universal moralities for Netflix to decide that they don't want to remove an episode.
      - perfmode 8y ago
        My issue with your participation in this discussion is that you think you are moving the discussion forward when you post a less-wrong link to support your statement about moral relativism. And you maintain the same sense of correctness even as it is explained to you that your argument is regressive and unhelpful.
        StavrosK 8y ago
        I posted exactly two comments on this, one saying that there are no "proper values", and one asking what they would look like if there were. Commenters mistaking this for me condoning what Netflix did or making some broader assumption are just that, mistaken. You did answer my question with an example, but I chose not to reply because I thought that if two sentences can be misconstrued so badly, more sentences wouldn't make anything better, but, since you replied, I will ask you: > All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights If a woman decides that she wants to cover her face with a burqa and we legislate a burqa ban, are we following her right to freedom or are we oppressing her? If a society votes that they don't want to see nudity on TV, is it right for another society to not adhere to that? Is it moral for Spotify to censor songs that the US finds offensive, even though Sweden disagrees?
        yakshaving_jgt 8y ago
        If me and a friend vote to kill you, are we right to do that?