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>Fix design. Fire Jony Ive's a$$ and hire some real designers. I think that's almost certainly unfair on Ive. I do strongly suspect that Apple has a culture pr

>Fix design. Fire Jony Ive's a$$ and hire some real designers. I think that's almost certainly unfair on Ive. I do strongly suspect that Apple has a culture problem because of the secretive nature of their design lab. A very small team working in absolute secrecy enabled them to create disruptive new categories of product, but it carries a substantial risk of stagnation in the long term. It's difficult to sustain a culture of innovation when the flow of information is so strictly controlled. There's an inevitable risk of inadvertently fostering a yes-man culture, a risk well known to anyone who operates in a classified intelligence environment.

raverbashing 8y ago
Ive is a great product designer. His weak points seems to be: - UX and Software design - Better integration with hardware/physical needs (see overly bendy hardware, cables that fall apart, etc) - (Maybe) Delegating and accepting new ideas
- oneeyedpigeon 8y ago
  Ive is a great visual / 'tactile' designer, but only a good functional one. This leads to things like beautiful cables (cables!) that exhibit the problem you highlight, the removal of headphone jacks, and an amazing mouse that you can't use whilst it's charging because the port is on the bottom. I'm not sure which software he's been responsible for, but I wouldn't be surprised if the same sorts of issues could be spotted — macOS certainly looks really, really nice and works easily and properly in many situations, but there are certain very basic flaws which just seem inexplicable.
Mindwipe 8y ago
I'm not even sure Ive does that much design any more day to day. But there's definitely issues piling up in that regard. The most notable Apple design of the last few years is the notch, and that's very much in the "it's not a bug, it's a feature!" category. Apple got what people liked about the Macbook Air so completely, totally wrong I'm baffled. Apple's design lab used to be amazing at balancing usability vs design. It feels like that has tipped far too hard towards "thinner at any cost" as a design philosophy, and that's come at a cost of clean lines and product quality. The design lab doesn't need reigning in as such - Apple needs someone who can challenge them at a senior level and call them out, which Jobs did and it feels increasingly like nobody else has ever replaced.
- symfoniq 8y ago
  > Apple's design lab used to be amazing at balancing usability vs design Agreed. There was a thoughtful pragmatism to Jobs-era Apple products. That pragmatism is gone.
getpost 8y ago
I don't know anything about what's actually going on, but it seems to me that any contribution by Ive has been seriously diluted. How much time did he spend on Apple Park? That's years of non-focus on products, right? Lately, he's working on diamond rings[0]. I'm happy for him doing whatever he wants to do; he's earned that. But Apple does seem to have lost design mojo, and it looks like a lack of leadership is part of the problem. [0] https://www.dezeen.com/2018/11/16/jony-ive-diamond-ring-marc-newson-red-auction/ https://www.dezeen.com/2018/11/16/jony-ive-diamond-ring-marc...

raverbashing 8y ago

Ive is a great product designer. His weak points seems to be: - UX and Software design - Better integration with hardware/physical needs (see overly bendy hardware, cables that fall apart, etc) - (Maybe) Delegating and accepting new ideas

oneeyedpigeon 8y ago
Ive is a great visual / 'tactile' designer, but only a good functional one. This leads to things like beautiful cables (cables!) that exhibit the problem you highlight, the removal of headphone jacks, and an amazing mouse that you can't use whilst it's charging because the port is on the bottom. I'm not sure which software he's been responsible for, but I wouldn't be surprised if the same sorts of issues could be spotted — macOS certainly looks really, really nice and works easily and properly in many situations, but there are certain very basic flaws which just seem inexplicable.

Mindwipe 8y ago

I'm not even sure Ive does that much design any more day to day. But there's definitely issues piling up in that regard. The most notable Apple design of the last few years is the notch, and that's very much in the "it's not a bug, it's a feature!" category. Apple got what people liked about the Macbook Air so completely, totally wrong I'm baffled. Apple's design lab used to be amazing at balancing usability vs design. It feels like that has tipped far too hard towards "thinner at any cost" as a design philosophy, and that's come at a cost of clean lines and product quality. The design lab doesn't need reigning in as such - Apple needs someone who can challenge them at a senior level and call them out, which Jobs did and it feels increasingly like nobody else has ever replaced.

symfoniq 8y ago
> Apple's design lab used to be amazing at balancing usability vs design Agreed. There was a thoughtful pragmatism to Jobs-era Apple products. That pragmatism is gone.

getpost 8y ago

I don't know anything about what's actually going on, but it seems to me that any contribution by Ive has been seriously diluted. How much time did he spend on Apple Park? That's years of non-focus on products, right? Lately, he's working on diamond rings[0]. I'm happy for him doing whatever he wants to do; he's earned that. But Apple does seem to have lost design mojo, and it looks like a lack of leadership is part of the problem. [0] https://www.dezeen.com/2018/11/16/jony-ive-diamond-ring-marc-newson-red-auction/ https://www.dezeen.com/2018/11/16/jony-ive-diamond-ring-marc...