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India scientists dismiss Einstein theories

16 points by ZeljkoS 8y ago

vlad666blu 8y ago
Fact:- Einstein was a dim wit.
cyberjunkie 8y ago
Of course, they were the first to discover and invent. They just lost all of the learnings somewhere in the past, presumably to a server crash.
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- drieddust 8y ago
  Did you read anything before making the claim? > "We don't subscribe to their views and distance ourselves from their comments. This is unfortunate," Premendu P Mathur, general secretary of Indian Scientific Congress Association, told AFP news agency. BBC always have an agenda when it comes to India.
  - srean 8y ago
    > BBC always have an agenda when it comes to India. Yes they do but its not that they are lying here. These are the ideas that are being spread from a premier platform. BTW I am sure cyberjunkie was being sarcastic.
    - drieddust 8y ago
      Agreed but there was no need for such a provocative and misleading headline.
      - timothevs 8y ago
        Well, if the shoe fits...
bakul 8y ago
Misleading headline by BBC. The very first sentence in the article is this: "Indian scientists have hit out at speakers at a major science conference for making irrational claims."
- simonh 8y ago
  A major science conference at which other Indian scientists absolutely repudiated Newton and Einstein, and pushed Von Daniken style theories about ancient Vedic aircraft and stem cell technology. So clearly there are scientists in India who are fighting the good fight for scientific rigor and accountability, but this is in the context of ruling party politicians making comments pushing these sorts of crackpot theories in support of a nationalist glorification agenda. There is currently plenty of reason to worry about the politicization of science in India.
  - bakul 8y ago
    I don’t consider these folks scientists.
    - srean 8y ago
      What you consider or dont is irrelevant. They are speaking from a premier platform that represents the country's scientific progress. Yes there are flat-earthers in the US, but they dont speak from the podium of the most premier scientific platform of their country. Trump himself is another matter, in fact there are some parallels between Modi and Trump.
      - bakul 8y ago
        Of course this corruption of a science conference is a serious concern but what BBC is doing with its misleading headline is to painting all “India” scientists with a broad brush when they (as well as HN readers) should be supporting the real scientists who are aghast at what is going on. There are indeed lots of parallels between the two men.
srean 8y ago
No wiring have been found to date in excavations of Indian sites. Irrefutable proof that they had wireless karmic communication. These are the folks who have been running our country for the past 5 years. The other party, congress, is a party of sycophants trying to upstage each other by their degree of sycophancy toward their party president that typically has come from a single family. In the current govt, its the "scientists" who try to out sycophant the other in legitimizing the current govt's beliefs to win favors. It helps them that a significant part of the population believes in that shit. So here we are, caught betweent a rock and a hard place.
- eberfreitas 8y ago
  Brazil is going on the same path with the new presidency.
- vinni2 8y ago
  “It helps them that a significant part of the population believes in that shit.” An Indian past colleague of mine who is highly educated with a PhD in CS from a western country truly believed in the conspiracy theory that Indian gods were aliens and space travel was common during those days. It was horrifying to know that such highly educated scientist believed in such unsubstantiated conspiracy theory. The amount of misinformation that spreads in India because of WhatsApp is truly scary and people believe it because “it was on WhatsApp”
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ankushnarula 8y ago
My father (not a scientist, but a successful businessman) has been making such claims about ancient Hindu texts for the last 40 years. I've always wondered how otherwise educated people succumb to such obvious metaphorical myths. Perhaps the current trend is partly cultural insecurity but mostly scientific/epistemic illiteracy.
- srean 8y ago
  Part of the reason is that the 'humanism' movement that was instrumental in separating the church from the state in Europe during Renaissance was not uniformly replicated in India. It did happen in pockets, Bengal, Maharashtra were some of these pockets but this phenomena was not uniformly distributed. Gandhi, for instance, believed that nothing ever good came out of the European civilization and its ideas. If you take such a stance you cant learn from them. His views were in stark contrast to, say, Tagore who had no problems in acknowledging the good parts while attacking the bad. What amuses me is that that banning of the practice of sati - burning of widows on the stake -- was strongly influenced by Muslim literature from Muslim golden age, the Mutazils to be precise. RamMohan Roy the chief figure in getting the practice abolished was a scholar of Persian literature and of course Mutazil literature. Its amusing because Islam is the current poster child of everything retrogressive. Back to Renaissance, had Europe not retrogressed Renaissance would not have been necessary. The same holds for India. BTW I am in admiration of the fact that you can talk about something that's this close to home. My father, a scientist was heading a governmental body at the time of the previous BJP government headed by Vajpayee. He run a foul of them. He was being coerced in to scientifically endorsing that artifacts from ayodhya, bricks, to be particular, were from Ram's times. He refused to do so as those bricks indicated quite something else. It was a very trying time for our family. I have my full sympathies and respect for those who stand up against a corrupt government be it intellectual corruption or corruption of some other kind. I have immense respect for my father because given what he was going through I am not sure I would have made the same choices that he made. I would like to believe that I would have been as honest and upright but since I was not in the center of that harrasment I sincerely dont know what trade offs I would have made. This is the first time I have ever spoken about this to anyone.
vinilg 8y ago
Sanskrit being mother of most modern languages, including European. There must be a scientific reason why Sanskrit was declared the best language for Computers by NASA. Dwarika cities were discovered intact under seabed proving Indian civilisation is the oldest in the world and was far ahead even 12,000-32,000 years ago. It is clear that there is science in many rituals of Karama based Hindu Vedas, rituals, food, Yoga etc. It is not surprising the claim Indian scientists are making. On the other hand, in a Mahabharata speak, Britain would be called a land of daemons on the basis of the murder, loot, suppression and hijacking of cultures of its colonies. British would like world to believe that sun actually shines out of their backside.
known 8y ago
The Arabic countries led by the Muslims were the most advanced scientists/engineers in the world, until they let the religious crazies take over. Just saying Indian ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_science_and_engineering_in_the_Islamic_world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_science_and_engine...

16 points by ZeljkoS 8y ago

Fact:- Einstein was a dim wit.

Of course, they were the first to discover and invent. They just lost all of the learnings somewhere in the past, presumably to a server crash.

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drieddust 8y ago
Did you read anything before making the claim? > "We don't subscribe to their views and distance ourselves from their comments. This is unfortunate," Premendu P Mathur, general secretary of Indian Scientific Congress Association, told AFP news agency. BBC always have an agenda when it comes to India.
- srean 8y ago
  > BBC always have an agenda when it comes to India. Yes they do but its not that they are lying here. These are the ideas that are being spread from a premier platform. BTW I am sure cyberjunkie was being sarcastic.
  - drieddust 8y ago
    Agreed but there was no need for such a provocative and misleading headline.
    - timothevs 8y ago
      Well, if the shoe fits...

bakul 8y ago

Misleading headline by BBC. The very first sentence in the article is this: "Indian scientists have hit out at speakers at a major science conference for making irrational claims."

simonh 8y ago
A major science conference at which other Indian scientists absolutely repudiated Newton and Einstein, and pushed Von Daniken style theories about ancient Vedic aircraft and stem cell technology. So clearly there are scientists in India who are fighting the good fight for scientific rigor and accountability, but this is in the context of ruling party politicians making comments pushing these sorts of crackpot theories in support of a nationalist glorification agenda. There is currently plenty of reason to worry about the politicization of science in India.
- bakul 8y ago
  I don’t consider these folks scientists.
  - srean 8y ago
    What you consider or dont is irrelevant. They are speaking from a premier platform that represents the country's scientific progress. Yes there are flat-earthers in the US, but they dont speak from the podium of the most premier scientific platform of their country. Trump himself is another matter, in fact there are some parallels between Modi and Trump.
    - bakul 8y ago
      Of course this corruption of a science conference is a serious concern but what BBC is doing with its misleading headline is to painting all “India” scientists with a broad brush when they (as well as HN readers) should be supporting the real scientists who are aghast at what is going on. There are indeed lots of parallels between the two men.

srean 8y ago

No wiring have been found to date in excavations of Indian sites. Irrefutable proof that they had wireless karmic communication. These are the folks who have been running our country for the past 5 years. The other party, congress, is a party of sycophants trying to upstage each other by their degree of sycophancy toward their party president that typically has come from a single family. In the current govt, its the "scientists" who try to out sycophant the other in legitimizing the current govt's beliefs to win favors. It helps them that a significant part of the population believes in that shit. So here we are, caught betweent a rock and a hard place.

eberfreitas 8y ago
Brazil is going on the same path with the new presidency.
vinni2 8y ago
“It helps them that a significant part of the population believes in that shit.” An Indian past colleague of mine who is highly educated with a PhD in CS from a western country truly believed in the conspiracy theory that Indian gods were aliens and space travel was common during those days. It was horrifying to know that such highly educated scientist believed in such unsubstantiated conspiracy theory. The amount of misinformation that spreads in India because of WhatsApp is truly scary and people believe it because “it was on WhatsApp”

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ankushnarula 8y ago

My father (not a scientist, but a successful businessman) has been making such claims about ancient Hindu texts for the last 40 years. I've always wondered how otherwise educated people succumb to such obvious metaphorical myths. Perhaps the current trend is partly cultural insecurity but mostly scientific/epistemic illiteracy.

srean 8y ago
Part of the reason is that the 'humanism' movement that was instrumental in separating the church from the state in Europe during Renaissance was not uniformly replicated in India. It did happen in pockets, Bengal, Maharashtra were some of these pockets but this phenomena was not uniformly distributed. Gandhi, for instance, believed that nothing ever good came out of the European civilization and its ideas. If you take such a stance you cant learn from them. His views were in stark contrast to, say, Tagore who had no problems in acknowledging the good parts while attacking the bad. What amuses me is that that banning of the practice of sati - burning of widows on the stake -- was strongly influenced by Muslim literature from Muslim golden age, the Mutazils to be precise. RamMohan Roy the chief figure in getting the practice abolished was a scholar of Persian literature and of course Mutazil literature. Its amusing because Islam is the current poster child of everything retrogressive. Back to Renaissance, had Europe not retrogressed Renaissance would not have been necessary. The same holds for India. BTW I am in admiration of the fact that you can talk about something that's this close to home. My father, a scientist was heading a governmental body at the time of the previous BJP government headed by Vajpayee. He run a foul of them. He was being coerced in to scientifically endorsing that artifacts from ayodhya, bricks, to be particular, were from Ram's times. He refused to do so as those bricks indicated quite something else. It was a very trying time for our family. I have my full sympathies and respect for those who stand up against a corrupt government be it intellectual corruption or corruption of some other kind. I have immense respect for my father because given what he was going through I am not sure I would have made the same choices that he made. I would like to believe that I would have been as honest and upright but since I was not in the center of that harrasment I sincerely dont know what trade offs I would have made. This is the first time I have ever spoken about this to anyone.

vinilg 8y ago

Sanskrit being mother of most modern languages, including European. There must be a scientific reason why Sanskrit was declared the best language for Computers by NASA. Dwarika cities were discovered intact under seabed proving Indian civilisation is the oldest in the world and was far ahead even 12,000-32,000 years ago. It is clear that there is science in many rituals of Karama based Hindu Vedas, rituals, food, Yoga etc. It is not surprising the claim Indian scientists are making. On the other hand, in a Mahabharata speak, Britain would be called a land of daemons on the basis of the murder, loot, suppression and hijacking of cultures of its colonies. British would like world to believe that sun actually shines out of their backside.

known 8y ago

The Arabic countries led by the Muslims were the most advanced scientists/engineers in the world, until they let the religious crazies take over. Just saying Indian ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_science_and_engineering_in_the_Islamic_world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_science_and_engine...