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I think a lot of confusion over this issue is that people expect it to be 100% black, or 100% white and the reality is it's not. Vaccines mostly work, and at s

I think a lot of confusion over this issue is that people expect it to be 100% black, or 100% white and the reality is it's not. Vaccines mostly work, and at scale that translates into thousands of people having adverse reactions to them, and it's exacerbated by vaccine companies mixing different vaccines together and adding preservatives that aren't strictly necessary but increase the life span and thus profit. For the record, I'm pro-vaccine but it's a nuanced issue. This is an example that's always stuck in my mind >For example, a study into the vaccine used during the 2009 swine flu outbreak found that for every million people who had the vaccination, there were less than two extra cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome.[0] That's the kind of thing anti-vaxxers seize on. There's also the 'vaccine court'[1] that's paid out over 4 BILLION DOLLARS[2] for injuries from vaccines. Something that gets lost in the noise is pharma companies are pro-profit, the more vaccines they sell[3] the more money they make. The more they can combine vaccines, the more money they can make. Increasing shelf life by adding things like thimerosal decrease production costs but increases risk etc etc. Pharma companies don't care about health, they care about profit. So, again, I'd like to reiterate I'm actually pro-vaccine but it's not black and white, and I'd really like if pro-vaxxers and anti-vaxxers could come together and discuss this stuff rationally without the hysterics! 0 https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/guillain-barre-syndrome/causes/ https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/guillain-barre-syndrome/causes... 1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_court https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_court 2 https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/data/index.html https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/data/index.html 3 https://vaxopedia.org/2018/07/15/do-kids-really-get-72-doses-of-vaccines/ https://vaxopedia.org/2018/07/15/do-kids-really-get-72-doses...

who-knows95 8y ago
i find this interesting that they would pay out, when they said this. "Being awarded compensation for a petition does not necessarily mean that the vaccine caused the alleged injury. In fact: -Almost 80% of all compensation awarded by the VICP comes as result of a negotiated settlement between the parties in which HHS has not concluded, based upon review of the evidence, that the alleged vaccine(s) caused the alleged injury. -Attorneys are eligible for reasonable attorneys’ fees, whether or not the petitioner is awarded compensation by the Court, if certain minimal requirements are met. In those circumstances, attorneys are paid by the VICP directly. By statute, attorneys may not charge any other fee, including a contingency fee, for his or her services in representing a petitioner in the VICP. According to the CDC, from 2006 to 2016 over 3.1 billion doses of covered vaccines were distributed in the U.S. For petitions filed in this time period, 5,576 petitions were adjudicated by the Court, and of those 3,785 were compensated. This means for every 1 million doses of vaccine that were distributed, 1 individual was compensated." - https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/data/index.html https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/data/index.html so, anti-vax/people with minor reactions people sue the special court (vaccine court), and the court pays the lawyer fees for themselves and settles with the suer. i do agree that big pharma doesn't care for the people they serve, that's why insulin is now 300% more expensive.
sharemywin 8y ago
It's also pretty hard to use statistical arguments when someone watched their kid go into convolutions a couple hours after a vaccination.
- feistypharit 8y ago
  My wife has allopecia and some other endocrine issues, some of which were likely caused by childhood vaccinations. My daughter has a history of febrile seizures. It is hard to deal with your 9 month old with eyes rolled back, mouth open, convulsing in your arms. It'd be harder if she had polio, etc. We still vaccinate. I do wish vaccinations had more controls and weren't manufactured in China though.
- sharemywin 8y ago
  Studies have shown a small increased risk for febrile seizures during the 5 to 12 days after a child has received their first vaccination with the measles, mumps, rubella (MMR) vaccine. The risk is slightly higher with the measles, mumps, rubella, varicella (MMRV) combination vaccine, but the risk is still small https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/febrile-seizures.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/febrile-seizures....

who-knows95 8y ago

i find this interesting that they would pay out, when they said this. "Being awarded compensation for a petition does not necessarily mean that the vaccine caused the alleged injury. In fact: -Almost 80% of all compensation awarded by the VICP comes as result of a negotiated settlement between the parties in which HHS has not concluded, based upon review of the evidence, that the alleged vaccine(s) caused the alleged injury. -Attorneys are eligible for reasonable attorneys’ fees, whether or not the petitioner is awarded compensation by the Court, if certain minimal requirements are met. In those circumstances, attorneys are paid by the VICP directly. By statute, attorneys may not charge any other fee, including a contingency fee, for his or her services in representing a petitioner in the VICP. According to the CDC, from 2006 to 2016 over 3.1 billion doses of covered vaccines were distributed in the U.S. For petitions filed in this time period, 5,576 petitions were adjudicated by the Court, and of those 3,785 were compensated. This means for every 1 million doses of vaccine that were distributed, 1 individual was compensated." - https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/data/index.html https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/data/index.html so, anti-vax/people with minor reactions people sue the special court (vaccine court), and the court pays the lawyer fees for themselves and settles with the suer. i do agree that big pharma doesn't care for the people they serve, that's why insulin is now 300% more expensive.

sharemywin 8y ago

It's also pretty hard to use statistical arguments when someone watched their kid go into convolutions a couple hours after a vaccination.

feistypharit 8y ago
My wife has allopecia and some other endocrine issues, some of which were likely caused by childhood vaccinations. My daughter has a history of febrile seizures. It is hard to deal with your 9 month old with eyes rolled back, mouth open, convulsing in your arms. It'd be harder if she had polio, etc. We still vaccinate. I do wish vaccinations had more controls and weren't manufactured in China though.
sharemywin 8y ago
Studies have shown a small increased risk for febrile seizures during the 5 to 12 days after a child has received their first vaccination with the measles, mumps, rubella (MMR) vaccine. The risk is slightly higher with the measles, mumps, rubella, varicella (MMRV) combination vaccine, but the risk is still small https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/febrile-seizures.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/febrile-seizures....