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Why I'm in Love with .Net Core

30 points by doppp 8y ago

philonoist 8y ago
Does .NET and its family have functional paradigm as feature rich as Haskell, Ocaml or Scala? I just don't understand the appalling attention given to F#. Is C# doing good in that regard?
- marxama 8y ago
  I would say that one of the main reasons why F# gets comparatively little attention is that, yes, C# is being evolved with a fairly big focus on taking lessons from functional languages. Pattern matching is coming along (though it will probably never be as powerful/expressive as in e.g. F#), C# 8 will have nullable reference types, essentially providing null safety in the same way as Option, immutability is being touted as a Good Thing (I hope record types will be with us soon), etc. As someone who loves functional programming, C# is without a doubt my favorite not-mainly-functional-language (and it's way up there overall). Compare this with Java and the functional JVM languages, where Java didn't even have lambdas until fairly recently - no wonder a (relatively) large subset of JVM developers focus on Scala and Clojure.
knocte 8y ago
503
- jve 8y ago
  It said something about insufficient storage. However reloading the page helped.
tarasmatsyk 8y ago
Takes forever to load :( Hope it's not powered by .Net core :trollface: PS. ex-.net engineer
fastbeef 8y ago
This poorly written article provides nothing of value. It’s mostly a laundry list of .Net facts and a whole bunch of ads.
halotrope 8y ago
The article unfortunately does bot provide valuable information. .NET Core is great nevertheless. You should check it out.
- geezerjay 8y ago
  .Net core is not bad, but ATM I feel like there are a lot of breaking changes and small revolutions in the platform and specially in all official and third-party modules, not to mention lack of features and official support for some basic components. ASP.NET Core is much worse in this regard. Right now .NET Core feels like it's a gigantic beta testing experience. The motto "move fast and break things" is being taken very literally, which wouldn't be bad if we weren't talking about a platform used to develop infrastructure. Perhaps .NET Core in general and ASP.NET Core in particular wil be an important platform 2 or 3 years from now, but right now I feel it takes too much courage and too little good sense to base a relevant project in .NET Core.
  - maccio92 8y ago
    What breaking changes? And which features/components are missing?
  - sebazzz 8y ago
    The point of Core is that it can and may evolve faster. If you don't want that, use the full Framework.
jayd16 8y ago
I really enjoy C# as a language and I think .NET core has some great potential if Microsoft can fulfill the cross platform promise. That said, this article makes a lot of mistakes. Xamarin and Unity use mono not .net core. .Net core isn't ready to bet the farm on. The cross platform tooling is still too weak atm. Its a huge headache to get profile data on Linux.
- pjmlp 8y ago
  Unity actually uses mono, IL2CPP and .NET Framework, depending on which OS one is using it, and target platforms.
- mrweasel 8y ago
  The entire .Net Core ecosystem is in a weird funk right now. I think it will be a few years before everything is transitioned over to .Net Core and settles down. Still if people have the mental capacity and time to spare, right now seems like a great time to getting started with .Net Core, and especially on Linux and Docker.
RickJWagner 8y ago
.Net Core has come up in the shadow of .NET (Windows version) and JEE. The latter two have lost momentum and a bunch of other languages/frameworks are nibbling at market share. If it weren't for this unfortunate timing, I think .Net Core would be a lot bigger than it is. Microsoft seems to be in this one for the long haul. I suspect .Net Core will slowly continue to gain share as time goes on, eventually reaching parity with the other 'big' players.
Yusho 8y ago
Poorly written article. But overall I can understand the enthusiasm the author is expressing for .Net Core. I am programming with it since 1.0 and we already have a big productive application running on it. Every update brings needed features like EF Core improvements in 2.1. and also it gets easier to upgrade. 3.0 will be very interesting since microsoft is indicating a shift to .Net Core away from .Net Classic. Combined with Visual Studio Code I can see C# and .Net core as a very good alternative to be taught at schools and universities since its easier to pick up with the right guidance.
notus 8y ago
I don't feel like the article really says anything. He just says I love .NET Core, the end.

30 points by doppp 8y ago

Does .NET and its family have functional paradigm as feature rich as Haskell, Ocaml or Scala? I just don't understand the appalling attention given to F#. Is C# doing good in that regard?

marxama 8y ago
I would say that one of the main reasons why F# gets comparatively little attention is that, yes, C# is being evolved with a fairly big focus on taking lessons from functional languages. Pattern matching is coming along (though it will probably never be as powerful/expressive as in e.g. F#), C# 8 will have nullable reference types, essentially providing null safety in the same way as Option, immutability is being touted as a Good Thing (I hope record types will be with us soon), etc. As someone who loves functional programming, C# is without a doubt my favorite not-mainly-functional-language (and it's way up there overall). Compare this with Java and the functional JVM languages, where Java didn't even have lambdas until fairly recently - no wonder a (relatively) large subset of JVM developers focus on Scala and Clojure.

knocte 8y ago

503

jve 8y ago
It said something about insufficient storage. However reloading the page helped.

tarasmatsyk 8y ago

Takes forever to load :( Hope it's not powered by .Net core :trollface: PS. ex-.net engineer

fastbeef 8y ago

This poorly written article provides nothing of value. It’s mostly a laundry list of .Net facts and a whole bunch of ads.

halotrope 8y ago

The article unfortunately does bot provide valuable information. .NET Core is great nevertheless. You should check it out.

geezerjay 8y ago
.Net core is not bad, but ATM I feel like there are a lot of breaking changes and small revolutions in the platform and specially in all official and third-party modules, not to mention lack of features and official support for some basic components. ASP.NET Core is much worse in this regard. Right now .NET Core feels like it's a gigantic beta testing experience. The motto "move fast and break things" is being taken very literally, which wouldn't be bad if we weren't talking about a platform used to develop infrastructure. Perhaps .NET Core in general and ASP.NET Core in particular wil be an important platform 2 or 3 years from now, but right now I feel it takes too much courage and too little good sense to base a relevant project in .NET Core.
- maccio92 8y ago
  What breaking changes? And which features/components are missing?
- sebazzz 8y ago
  The point of Core is that it can and may evolve faster. If you don't want that, use the full Framework.

jayd16 8y ago

I really enjoy C# as a language and I think .NET core has some great potential if Microsoft can fulfill the cross platform promise. That said, this article makes a lot of mistakes. Xamarin and Unity use mono not .net core. .Net core isn't ready to bet the farm on. The cross platform tooling is still too weak atm. Its a huge headache to get profile data on Linux.

pjmlp 8y ago
Unity actually uses mono, IL2CPP and .NET Framework, depending on which OS one is using it, and target platforms.
mrweasel 8y ago
The entire .Net Core ecosystem is in a weird funk right now. I think it will be a few years before everything is transitioned over to .Net Core and settles down. Still if people have the mental capacity and time to spare, right now seems like a great time to getting started with .Net Core, and especially on Linux and Docker.

RickJWagner 8y ago

.Net Core has come up in the shadow of .NET (Windows version) and JEE. The latter two have lost momentum and a bunch of other languages/frameworks are nibbling at market share. If it weren't for this unfortunate timing, I think .Net Core would be a lot bigger than it is. Microsoft seems to be in this one for the long haul. I suspect .Net Core will slowly continue to gain share as time goes on, eventually reaching parity with the other 'big' players.

Yusho 8y ago

Poorly written article. But overall I can understand the enthusiasm the author is expressing for .Net Core. I am programming with it since 1.0 and we already have a big productive application running on it. Every update brings needed features like EF Core improvements in 2.1. and also it gets easier to upgrade. 3.0 will be very interesting since microsoft is indicating a shift to .Net Core away from .Net Classic. Combined with Visual Studio Code I can see C# and .Net core as a very good alternative to be taught at schools and universities since its easier to pick up with the right guidance.

notus 8y ago

I don't feel like the article really says anything. He just says I love .NET Core, the end.