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A bit tangential but, It will be interesting to see what happens this time because, unlike in the past, congress passed the Defense portion of the budget for th

A bit tangential but, It will be interesting to see what happens this time because, unlike in the past, congress passed the Defense portion of the budget for the full year so the military (and civilians that work for the Department of Defense) aren't effected by this shutdown. My bet is that it makes it more likely that this could drag out much longer because Trump's base views it as a win - win. If the Democrats cave they get their wall. If they don't then all those departments that they want to eliminate are closed down while this drags on. Either way they are getting something they want so they have no reason to compromise.

belorn 8y ago
While that describe the reason why the Republicans might continue the shutdown, what are the reasons for the Democrats? I would guess that by blocking the wall they get favor with their voter blocks, and by getting the government to shutdown they hope that the republican voter block will revolt?
- zimpenfish 8y ago
  > what are the reasons for the Democrats? They already offered wall funding in exchange for DACA[1]. I daresay they're less inclined to play ball now; even before you consider the more progressive lean it now has after the midterms. [1] https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/19/border-wall-democrats-respond-470687 https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/19/border-wall-democr...
- pmorici 8y ago
  Their view seems to be that that based on the things the president has said and done[0] the public will ultimately lay the blame / credit for the shutdown at his feet and that will hurt him politically. From a strategic view a shutdown is bad for the economy and nothing hurts a president's chance of re-election like a down economy. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkL3fheL2MY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkL3fheL2MY
Robotbeat 8y ago
Problem is that DHS is also pretty much unfunded, and that's a bunch of stuff Trump's base care about. Air traffic controllers, TSA agents, etc, etc are also working without pay, which is not a sustainable situation... people have already started "calling in sick" (with those remaining having to cover the extra hours) and if this lasts for a month or more, people WILL quit and find other jobs. Or go on strike... can't actually hire replacements when HR is on furlough and there's no money...

belorn 8y ago

While that describe the reason why the Republicans might continue the shutdown, what are the reasons for the Democrats? I would guess that by blocking the wall they get favor with their voter blocks, and by getting the government to shutdown they hope that the republican voter block will revolt?

zimpenfish 8y ago
> what are the reasons for the Democrats? They already offered wall funding in exchange for DACA[1]. I daresay they're less inclined to play ball now; even before you consider the more progressive lean it now has after the midterms. [1] https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/19/border-wall-democrats-respond-470687 https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/19/border-wall-democr...
pmorici 8y ago
Their view seems to be that that based on the things the president has said and done[0] the public will ultimately lay the blame / credit for the shutdown at his feet and that will hurt him politically. From a strategic view a shutdown is bad for the economy and nothing hurts a president's chance of re-election like a down economy. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkL3fheL2MY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkL3fheL2MY

Robotbeat 8y ago

Problem is that DHS is also pretty much unfunded, and that's a bunch of stuff Trump's base care about. Air traffic controllers, TSA agents, etc, etc are also working without pay, which is not a sustainable situation... people have already started "calling in sick" (with those remaining having to cover the extra hours) and if this lasts for a month or more, people WILL quit and find other jobs. Or go on strike... can't actually hire replacements when HR is on furlough and there's no money...