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But I don't want an iPhone 7 or an 8. And it makes no sense that Apple sell both the 7 and the 8. Apple should make a phone like the SE which is made for the l

But I don't want an iPhone 7 or an 8. And it makes no sense that Apple sell both the 7 and the 8. Apple should make a phone like the SE which is made for the low-mid market, not just discount its old models.

lostlogin 8y ago
I’d take a high spec small phone. This is apparently an unusual thing to want.
- deleted 8y ago
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- princeb 8y ago
  i'd happily pay up to $1200 for a high spec 4" phone. i'm on an SE. i got this phone fairly late into its life cycle and it was a deliberate choice. my biggest regret is probably not getting a second one before they discontinued it because when my current SE fails i have no idea where to get a replacement.
  - ltc5505 8y ago
    Look on eBay; there are a lot of SE's available for a good price. It's a great time to buy one and save it for when you need it. At some point the supply will get low enough that the price for a new one will noticeably increase, but we aren't at that point yet.
  - jlmorton 8y ago
    I'm shocked Apple doesn't fill this market. Many of my friends prefer SE-sized phones. I have friends who aren't upgrading from the SE specifically because they can't get a comparably-sized phone. I bought my wife the XS, not because it has a fancier display, but purely because it was the smallest model available - and it's still too big for her.
- addicted 8y ago
  I haven’t understood why Apple doesn’t simply do this. They know from the laptop market that people are more than willing to pay different prices for different t sizes. Instead of differentiating their phones based on features, they should simply differentiate them based on screen size. That would allow them to meet several price points without making their customers feel like they’re cheap.
  - raydev 8y ago
    I think it's highly likely we'll see the SE return (or it's spritual successor). Remember, the SE was released outside of the usual iPhone release cycle in March 2016, so I think intent for a longer cycle was clear. Lots of people predicted between 2 and 3 years before the SE got an update, so if March 2019 passes without an announcement, then who knows what's next. Also, I think there's a high probability they're trying to work out the kinks in an SE-sized phone that is all screen. I'd be surprised if they released the SE2 and it has a home button.
- Xcelerate 8y ago
  Same. Refusing to upgrade my SE because it's the perfect size. I had a coworker ask, "What is that thing?" which is humorous to say the least.
- Animats 8y ago
  Phone screens had to get bigger to accommodate ads. With small screens, the content takes up all the space and there's no extra room for ads.
paulcole 8y ago
I think The Rolling Stones put it best...
code_duck 8y ago
Why? What’s wrong with an iPhone 7 or 8? Why would you prefer an SE-like model?
- throw0u1t 8y ago
  I don't want a 7 because it comes in either 32GB or 256GB, no 64GB or 128GB. I don't want an 8 because I don't want a phone with a glass back. iPhone SE was perfect. Metal all round, small, affordable, powerful.
  - hopler 8y ago
    That's not a problem with the 7 per se, that's a problem with Apple's exploitative pricing strategy blocking a trivial engineering/marketing option. The glass back thing is a matter of taste, sure, but caring what material is inside the case is a bit silly.
    - throw0u1t 8y ago
      That may be so, but the fact is that I can't buy a new 64GB iPhone 7. The trouble with a glass back is that it can still shatter when dropped even if it has a case on it.
      - donarb 8y ago
        Don’t drop it then. I’m not being funny. I treat every phone I’ve ever owned as the expensive devices they are. I buy a protective case, don’t put it in my back pocket where it can be bent or broken. I don’t use it while standing over the toilet so it can’t be dropped in. When I drink with friends, I don’t lay my phone on the bar where some drunk can spill beer on it. It’s more than being able to have the use of a fully functioning device, at trade-in time my phone is worth more because I take of it.
        throw0u1t 8y ago
        I treat my phones the same, and I thought "I'll never drop this", until you do. Both times I've dropped the phone getting in or out of the car. First time it landed face first on the garage floor and shattered the screen and the second time it landed on its side and just scratched the case a little. Hard to know what will happen when you drop your phone.
mrweasel 8y ago
I would argue that the iPhone 8 should not exist, but neither should the most recent iPhones. Apple seems to be locked in a system of releasing a new phone(s) every year, but they can't actually deliver something that justifies a new model. This isn't a problem exclusive to Apple, it's just very clear with their product line up. With the solve down in new features and design Apple could have skipped the iPhone 8, XS and XR. Except of cause "the market" and their stockholders expects new phones, regardless of the need.
systoll 8y ago
The SE wasn’t made for the low-mid market. It was a miniaturised iPhone 6s released while the 6s was ‘current’, and got to ‘low-mid market’ pricing by being discounted as it got older.
- woodson 8y ago
  That’s not quite true. When it came out, a 6s was about $649 and an SE was $399.

lostlogin 8y ago

I’d take a high spec small phone. This is apparently an unusual thing to want.

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princeb 8y ago
i'd happily pay up to $1200 for a high spec 4" phone. i'm on an SE. i got this phone fairly late into its life cycle and it was a deliberate choice. my biggest regret is probably not getting a second one before they discontinued it because when my current SE fails i have no idea where to get a replacement.
- ltc5505 8y ago
  Look on eBay; there are a lot of SE's available for a good price. It's a great time to buy one and save it for when you need it. At some point the supply will get low enough that the price for a new one will noticeably increase, but we aren't at that point yet.
- jlmorton 8y ago
  I'm shocked Apple doesn't fill this market. Many of my friends prefer SE-sized phones. I have friends who aren't upgrading from the SE specifically because they can't get a comparably-sized phone. I bought my wife the XS, not because it has a fancier display, but purely because it was the smallest model available - and it's still too big for her.
addicted 8y ago
I haven’t understood why Apple doesn’t simply do this. They know from the laptop market that people are more than willing to pay different prices for different t sizes. Instead of differentiating their phones based on features, they should simply differentiate them based on screen size. That would allow them to meet several price points without making their customers feel like they’re cheap.
- raydev 8y ago
  I think it's highly likely we'll see the SE return (or it's spritual successor). Remember, the SE was released outside of the usual iPhone release cycle in March 2016, so I think intent for a longer cycle was clear. Lots of people predicted between 2 and 3 years before the SE got an update, so if March 2019 passes without an announcement, then who knows what's next. Also, I think there's a high probability they're trying to work out the kinks in an SE-sized phone that is all screen. I'd be surprised if they released the SE2 and it has a home button.
Xcelerate 8y ago
Same. Refusing to upgrade my SE because it's the perfect size. I had a coworker ask, "What is that thing?" which is humorous to say the least.
Animats 8y ago
Phone screens had to get bigger to accommodate ads. With small screens, the content takes up all the space and there's no extra room for ads.

paulcole 8y ago

I think The Rolling Stones put it best...

code_duck 8y ago

Why? What’s wrong with an iPhone 7 or 8? Why would you prefer an SE-like model?

throw0u1t 8y ago
I don't want a 7 because it comes in either 32GB or 256GB, no 64GB or 128GB. I don't want an 8 because I don't want a phone with a glass back. iPhone SE was perfect. Metal all round, small, affordable, powerful.
- hopler 8y ago
  That's not a problem with the 7 per se, that's a problem with Apple's exploitative pricing strategy blocking a trivial engineering/marketing option. The glass back thing is a matter of taste, sure, but caring what material is inside the case is a bit silly.
  - throw0u1t 8y ago
    That may be so, but the fact is that I can't buy a new 64GB iPhone 7. The trouble with a glass back is that it can still shatter when dropped even if it has a case on it.
    - donarb 8y ago
      Don’t drop it then. I’m not being funny. I treat every phone I’ve ever owned as the expensive devices they are. I buy a protective case, don’t put it in my back pocket where it can be bent or broken. I don’t use it while standing over the toilet so it can’t be dropped in. When I drink with friends, I don’t lay my phone on the bar where some drunk can spill beer on it. It’s more than being able to have the use of a fully functioning device, at trade-in time my phone is worth more because I take of it.
      - throw0u1t 8y ago
        I treat my phones the same, and I thought "I'll never drop this", until you do. Both times I've dropped the phone getting in or out of the car. First time it landed face first on the garage floor and shattered the screen and the second time it landed on its side and just scratched the case a little. Hard to know what will happen when you drop your phone.

mrweasel 8y ago

I would argue that the iPhone 8 should not exist, but neither should the most recent iPhones. Apple seems to be locked in a system of releasing a new phone(s) every year, but they can't actually deliver something that justifies a new model. This isn't a problem exclusive to Apple, it's just very clear with their product line up. With the solve down in new features and design Apple could have skipped the iPhone 8, XS and XR. Except of cause "the market" and their stockholders expects new phones, regardless of the need.

systoll 8y ago

The SE wasn’t made for the low-mid market. It was a miniaturised iPhone 6s released while the 6s was ‘current’, and got to ‘low-mid market’ pricing by being discounted as it got older.

woodson 8y ago
That’s not quite true. When it came out, a 6s was about $649 and an SE was $399.