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Not sure what the policy is on plagiarism, but this post plagiarized my write up. The structure is the same and the section headings are the same. It is blatan

by grugq 8y ago

Not sure what the policy is on plagiarism, but this post plagiarized my write up. The structure is the same and the section headings are the same. It is blatant plagiarism. https://link.medium.com/cWfUtKQjgT https://link.medium.com/cWfUtKQjgT

markbnj 8y ago
I've had a couple of popular medium posts copied by a person looking to boost the visibility of his consulting company site. It's frustrating, but I think ultimately it does the thief more harm than good.
huehehue 8y ago
They added references a couple of minutes ago, I think very large chunks of their post should still be in quote blocks though. Great writeup btw, grugq https://gitlab.com/edu4rdshl/blog/commit/2fc4d85714d2bde3aca669c86998154c9e840f10 https://gitlab.com/edu4rdshl/blog/commit/2fc4d85714d2bde3aca...
- grugq 8y ago
  Thanks
rrdharan 8y ago
Author just edited it and added your post as a reference: https://gitlab.com/edu4rdshl/blog/commit/2fc4d85714d2bde3aca669c86998154c9e840f10 https://gitlab.com/edu4rdshl/blog/commit/2fc4d85714d2bde3aca... ... + 7 https://medium.com/@thegrugq/operational-telegram-cbbaadb9013a https://medium.com/@thegrugq/operational-telegram-cbbaadb901... by https://twitter.com/thegrugq https://twitter.com/thegrugq
- grugq 8y ago
  He did only after I publicly called him out[0]. And it is still plagiarism. “Plagiarism is the "wrongful appropriation" and "stealing and publication" of another author's "language, thoughts, ideas, or expressions" and the representation of them as one's own original work.”[1] [0] https://twitter.com/Edu4rdSHL/status/1081971696431706113 https://twitter.com/Edu4rdSHL/status/1081971696431706113 [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism
- et-al 8y ago
  And the other parts of the post are copied verbatim from the MTProto paper. Check out the "MTProto is not IND-CCA secure" section Eduard Toloza supposedly wrote: https://gitlab.com/edu4rdshl/blog/blob/9d490385d53cdf7048d16f5c27c215ebb45f6a3b/why-telegram-is-insecure.md#mtproto-is-not-ind-cca-secure https://gitlab.com/edu4rdshl/blog/blob/9d490385d53cdf7048d16... > Here I briefly present the two attacks that show that MTProto is not IND-CCA secure. We assume the reader to be familiar with the notion of IND-CCA security... > Once again, I stress that the attacks are only of theoretical nature and we do not see a way of turning them into full-plaintext recovery. Yet, we believe that these attacks are yet another proof [https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/428.pdf https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/428.pdf] that designing your own crypto rarely is a good idea. And compare it to Jakob Jakobsen and Claudio Orlandi's paper: https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1177.pdf https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1177.pdf The "author" just swapped out the "we" for "I". Aside from the text in bold at the bottom, there's no original content. It's plagiarism.
augustocallejas 8y ago
If you still believe this is plagiarism (after the citation edit), then your recourse is to notify Gitlab, where this is hosted on. https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/dmca/ https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/dmca/
- grugq 8y ago
  It is plagiarism, that is not debatable. After contacting the author he has removed the plagiarized content.
chinathrow 8y ago
Is it still plagiarism if the original author hides his writing behind a pseudonym?
- grugq 8y ago
  Yes. Plagiarism is stealing another authors ideas, words, or expressions and representing them as one’s own work. And I’m pretty sure comments like this are against HN policy as they degrade the quality of discourse.
- markbnj 8y ago
  Is it still theft if the thief hides his actions behind an alias?
dang 8y ago
Ok, we changed the URL above from https://gitlab.com/edu4rdshl/blog/blob/master/why-telegram-is-insecure.md https://gitlab.com/edu4rdshl/blog/blob/master/why-telegram-i... to https://medium.com/@thegrugq/operational-telegram-cbbaadb9013a https://medium.com/@thegrugq/operational-telegram-cbbaadb901.... At present the OP is nearly blank anyhow.
- grugq 8y ago
  Thanks. Should maybe put in (2015) in the title as well? It is old and hasn’t been updated. I stand by my assessment at the time, but I haven’t checked Telegram since then and don’t know what, if anything, has changed.
  - cop_riq90 8y ago
    I think your post should highlight the main idea: Telegram stores all messages in plain-text on the server. Even whatsapp doesn’t do that. Seems to me like the “end to end” was an afterthought. Just to claim that they can encrypt messages. While 99% of messages are stored right there, and we must trust telegram not to give that data to anyone. Why should we?

by grugq 8y ago

markbnj 8y ago

I've had a couple of popular medium posts copied by a person looking to boost the visibility of his consulting company site. It's frustrating, but I think ultimately it does the thief more harm than good.

huehehue 8y ago

They added references a couple of minutes ago, I think very large chunks of their post should still be in quote blocks though. Great writeup btw, grugq https://gitlab.com/edu4rdshl/blog/commit/2fc4d85714d2bde3aca669c86998154c9e840f10 https://gitlab.com/edu4rdshl/blog/commit/2fc4d85714d2bde3aca...

grugq 8y ago
Thanks

rrdharan 8y ago

Author just edited it and added your post as a reference: https://gitlab.com/edu4rdshl/blog/commit/2fc4d85714d2bde3aca669c86998154c9e840f10 https://gitlab.com/edu4rdshl/blog/commit/2fc4d85714d2bde3aca... ... + 7 https://medium.com/@thegrugq/operational-telegram-cbbaadb9013a https://medium.com/@thegrugq/operational-telegram-cbbaadb901... by https://twitter.com/thegrugq https://twitter.com/thegrugq

grugq 8y ago
He did only after I publicly called him out[0]. And it is still plagiarism. “Plagiarism is the "wrongful appropriation" and "stealing and publication" of another author's "language, thoughts, ideas, or expressions" and the representation of them as one's own original work.”[1] [0] https://twitter.com/Edu4rdSHL/status/1081971696431706113 https://twitter.com/Edu4rdSHL/status/1081971696431706113 [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism
et-al 8y ago
And the other parts of the post are copied verbatim from the MTProto paper. Check out the "MTProto is not IND-CCA secure" section Eduard Toloza supposedly wrote: https://gitlab.com/edu4rdshl/blog/blob/9d490385d53cdf7048d16f5c27c215ebb45f6a3b/why-telegram-is-insecure.md#mtproto-is-not-ind-cca-secure https://gitlab.com/edu4rdshl/blog/blob/9d490385d53cdf7048d16... > Here I briefly present the two attacks that show that MTProto is not IND-CCA secure. We assume the reader to be familiar with the notion of IND-CCA security... > Once again, I stress that the attacks are only of theoretical nature and we do not see a way of turning them into full-plaintext recovery. Yet, we believe that these attacks are yet another proof [https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/428.pdf https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/428.pdf] that designing your own crypto rarely is a good idea. And compare it to Jakob Jakobsen and Claudio Orlandi's paper: https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1177.pdf https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1177.pdf The "author" just swapped out the "we" for "I". Aside from the text in bold at the bottom, there's no original content. It's plagiarism.

augustocallejas 8y ago

If you still believe this is plagiarism (after the citation edit), then your recourse is to notify Gitlab, where this is hosted on. https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/dmca/ https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/dmca/

grugq 8y ago
It is plagiarism, that is not debatable. After contacting the author he has removed the plagiarized content.

chinathrow 8y ago

Is it still plagiarism if the original author hides his writing behind a pseudonym?

grugq 8y ago
Yes. Plagiarism is stealing another authors ideas, words, or expressions and representing them as one’s own work. And I’m pretty sure comments like this are against HN policy as they degrade the quality of discourse.
markbnj 8y ago
Is it still theft if the thief hides his actions behind an alias?

dang 8y ago

Ok, we changed the URL above from https://gitlab.com/edu4rdshl/blog/blob/master/why-telegram-is-insecure.md https://gitlab.com/edu4rdshl/blog/blob/master/why-telegram-i... to https://medium.com/@thegrugq/operational-telegram-cbbaadb9013a https://medium.com/@thegrugq/operational-telegram-cbbaadb901.... At present the OP is nearly blank anyhow.

grugq 8y ago
Thanks. Should maybe put in (2015) in the title as well? It is old and hasn’t been updated. I stand by my assessment at the time, but I haven’t checked Telegram since then and don’t know what, if anything, has changed.
- cop_riq90 8y ago
  I think your post should highlight the main idea: Telegram stores all messages in plain-text on the server. Even whatsapp doesn’t do that. Seems to me like the “end to end” was an afterthought. Just to claim that they can encrypt messages. While 99% of messages are stored right there, and we must trust telegram not to give that data to anyone. Why should we?