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The pill causes a lot of problems later in life; something only discovered recently, since it is a relatively new creation. It also changes mate preferences, a

The pill causes a lot of problems later in life; something only discovered recently, since it is a relatively new creation. It also changes mate preferences, and what that means for the future is unknown.

Spoom 8y ago
> The pill causes a lot of problems later in life; something only discovered recently, since it is a relatively new creation. Could you be specific here (ideally with links)?
- plainOldText 8y ago
  Here you go: Does the contraceptive pill alter mate choice in humans? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19818527 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19818527 Oral contraceptive use in women changes preferences for male facial masculinity and is associated with partner facial masculinity https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23528282 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23528282 Edit: Oops, I posted studies linked to mate choice and not issues later in life as you requested. Arguably, choosing the wrong mate could be considered an issue in the long term, but I assume you referred specifically to medical ones.
  - klyrs 8y ago
    The evolutionary selection aspect is curious. Is "natural" always "better"? Facial masculinity is correlated with higher testosterone production in response to competition [1]. Higher testosterone levels are also correlated with aggression and violence [2]. Could birth control steer evolution towards a less aggressive, less violent society? Is that a bad thing? You argue that choosing the "wrong" mate could be an issue -- is a less-violent partner the "wrong" choice? [1] https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/abs/10.1098/rspb.2008.0990 https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/abs/10.1098/rspb.2008... [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3693622/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3693622/
    - patrickg_zill 8y ago
      When does nature ever give us anything for free?
abledon 8y ago
""It also changes mate preferences, and what that means for the future is unknown."" Genepool collisions with suboptimal pairing enghhh. who is willing to give up 'sxxy time' all the time any time they want it.

Spoom 8y ago

> The pill causes a lot of problems later in life; something only discovered recently, since it is a relatively new creation. Could you be specific here (ideally with links)?

plainOldText 8y ago
Here you go: Does the contraceptive pill alter mate choice in humans? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19818527 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19818527 Oral contraceptive use in women changes preferences for male facial masculinity and is associated with partner facial masculinity https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23528282 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23528282 Edit: Oops, I posted studies linked to mate choice and not issues later in life as you requested. Arguably, choosing the wrong mate could be considered an issue in the long term, but I assume you referred specifically to medical ones.
- klyrs 8y ago
  The evolutionary selection aspect is curious. Is "natural" always "better"? Facial masculinity is correlated with higher testosterone production in response to competition [1]. Higher testosterone levels are also correlated with aggression and violence [2]. Could birth control steer evolution towards a less aggressive, less violent society? Is that a bad thing? You argue that choosing the "wrong" mate could be an issue -- is a less-violent partner the "wrong" choice? [1] https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/abs/10.1098/rspb.2008.0990 https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/abs/10.1098/rspb.2008... [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3693622/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3693622/
  - patrickg_zill 8y ago
    When does nature ever give us anything for free?

abledon 8y ago

""It also changes mate preferences, and what that means for the future is unknown."" Genepool collisions with suboptimal pairing enghhh. who is willing to give up 'sxxy time' all the time any time they want it.