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Nope. Just chose to not use services that suck yourself. It's easy. You can say you peer group or whatever uses them but it is still your choice. I strongly op

Nope. Just chose to not use services that suck yourself. It's easy. You can say you peer group or whatever uses them but it is still your choice. I strongly oppose your suggestion to bring in the government use of violence to impose your ideological goals on others. They have to chose for themselves.

toufiqbarhamov 8y ago
Nope. Just chose to not use services that suck yourself. It's easy. Ok let’s test your hypothesis. Camera noise Right, I’m tagging you in this group photo and uploading it. Where’s your choice now?
- superkuh 8y ago
  I don't see the problem. It sounds like I'm in a public setting. If not and this is some friend group gathering I could just ask you not to since we're friends. My friends and family that use facebook know not to include me. But even if they do, so what? It's not like a single photo of me uploaded by a friend impacts my privacy.
  - barrkel 8y ago
    It sounds like I'm in a public setting There's a difference between being a random bystander in an individual's photo and mass surveillance of the public space through millions of photos. Just like lots of photos become something else - movies - lots of photos of public spaces become something else - a surveillance state. You're sitting on one principle and riding it to the point of absurdity. There are lots of other principles, like the right to live in a free society. Sometimes freedom requires lack of freedom - sometimes we have to apprehend criminals. You can't ride this principle all the way without taking off your blindfold.
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- imgabe 8y ago
  You can't tag someone in a photo if they're not on Facebook.
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barrkel 8y ago
Just chose to not use services that suck yourself You don't even know which services do that. There are lots of apps out there that use FB's API and send off details of the user's phone and app activity to FB, whether or not the user has an FB account or not. https://mashable.com/article/facebook-data-sharing-apps-privacy/ https://mashable.com/article/facebook-data-sharing-apps-priv... For example, Kayak sends flight searches to FB. So don't fly maybe?
- superkuh 8y ago
  Your unstated premise is that you have to use a smart phone for everything. Once you free yourself from that restriction and chose to do some things on a desktop computer it is much easier to control what runs on your computing device and what it communicates with.
macintux 8y ago
As toufiqbarhamov points out, your privacy is being compromised by other people all the time on the social networks you avoid. Facebook, e.g., keeps a shadow profile on you. When I finally caved and joined (something I hope to undo shortly) I was immediately informed of all the people I know who are already on the network, not from the contacts I explicitly didn’t share with them, but from the people who searched for me before I made an account. I’ve never given FB my phone number, but I’m sure they have it in a database somewhere. They probably knew my face before I ever signed up.

toufiqbarhamov 8y ago

Nope. Just chose to not use services that suck yourself. It's easy. Ok let’s test your hypothesis. Camera noise Right, I’m tagging you in this group photo and uploading it. Where’s your choice now?

superkuh 8y ago
I don't see the problem. It sounds like I'm in a public setting. If not and this is some friend group gathering I could just ask you not to since we're friends. My friends and family that use facebook know not to include me. But even if they do, so what? It's not like a single photo of me uploaded by a friend impacts my privacy.
- barrkel 8y ago
  It sounds like I'm in a public setting There's a difference between being a random bystander in an individual's photo and mass surveillance of the public space through millions of photos. Just like lots of photos become something else - movies - lots of photos of public spaces become something else - a surveillance state. You're sitting on one principle and riding it to the point of absurdity. There are lots of other principles, like the right to live in a free society. Sometimes freedom requires lack of freedom - sometimes we have to apprehend criminals. You can't ride this principle all the way without taking off your blindfold.
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imgabe 8y ago
You can't tag someone in a photo if they're not on Facebook.
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barrkel 8y ago

Just chose to not use services that suck yourself You don't even know which services do that. There are lots of apps out there that use FB's API and send off details of the user's phone and app activity to FB, whether or not the user has an FB account or not. https://mashable.com/article/facebook-data-sharing-apps-privacy/ https://mashable.com/article/facebook-data-sharing-apps-priv... For example, Kayak sends flight searches to FB. So don't fly maybe?

superkuh 8y ago
Your unstated premise is that you have to use a smart phone for everything. Once you free yourself from that restriction and chose to do some things on a desktop computer it is much easier to control what runs on your computing device and what it communicates with.

macintux 8y ago

As toufiqbarhamov points out, your privacy is being compromised by other people all the time on the social networks you avoid. Facebook, e.g., keeps a shadow profile on you. When I finally caved and joined (something I hope to undo shortly) I was immediately informed of all the people I know who are already on the network, not from the contacts I explicitly didn’t share with them, but from the people who searched for me before I made an account. I’ve never given FB my phone number, but I’m sure they have it in a database somewhere. They probably knew my face before I ever signed up.