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I think Chrome is empirically quite user friendly - it's not installed by default anywhere and people choose to use it. It is true that Chrome isn't particularl

by geofft 8y ago

I think Chrome is empirically quite user friendly - it's not installed by default anywhere and people choose to use it. It is true that Chrome isn't particularly power-user friendly for certain use cases, but that's different. Also, if you look at the bug report, it's quite clear they spent a lot of time trying to make nouveau work.

jlarocco 8y ago
There's more to being user friendly than having a dumbed down UI and being technically correct. Helping corporations spy on users is definitely not user friendly, and Chrome is by far the worst offender there. Saying, "nobody cares," because they're ignorant that it's going on is no excuse, either.
- PhasmaFelis 8y ago
  User-friendliness is usually understood as being about usability and interface design. Spyware-riddled software may be shitty, and that should be called out, but it's orthogonal to user-friendliness. Edit: You seem to disagree. Google "user-friendly" and realize that I'm not defending Chrome.
  - drb91 8y ago
    Just because corporate language doesn’t include any way of expressing representing consumer and user interests outside of what can be represented in a transaction doesn’t mean it isn’t worth expressing.
    - PhasmaFelis 8y ago
      There's plenty of ways to express it. Call it exploitative, dishonest, money-grubbing, soulless. If you instead call it "non-user-friendly," expect people to be confused, because that's not what "user-friendly" means.
- geofft 8y ago
  That may all be true but I'm really unsure what that has to do with user-friendliness in the way described. The argument was an attempt to rebut my claim that Chrome is trying to do the best job possible of rendering pages isn't true because Chrome isn't user-friendly. If their goal is to spy on users and have a dumbed-down UI, isn't it all the more important that pages successfully render, so that the sheeple keep using it?
drb91 8y ago
Well, people have always used bad software; popularity has never been a good metric of quality. Nothing about Chrome protects users from Google. This is a fundamental role of the browser.
- geofft 8y ago
  That may be true but I'm not sure how that is relevant. Why would a browser not protecting users from Google be positively correlated with a browser not wanting to successfully render pages?

by geofft 8y ago

jlarocco 8y ago

There's more to being user friendly than having a dumbed down UI and being technically correct. Helping corporations spy on users is definitely not user friendly, and Chrome is by far the worst offender there. Saying, "nobody cares," because they're ignorant that it's going on is no excuse, either.

PhasmaFelis 8y ago
User-friendliness is usually understood as being about usability and interface design. Spyware-riddled software may be shitty, and that should be called out, but it's orthogonal to user-friendliness. Edit: You seem to disagree. Google "user-friendly" and realize that I'm not defending Chrome.
- drb91 8y ago
  Just because corporate language doesn’t include any way of expressing representing consumer and user interests outside of what can be represented in a transaction doesn’t mean it isn’t worth expressing.
  - PhasmaFelis 8y ago
    There's plenty of ways to express it. Call it exploitative, dishonest, money-grubbing, soulless. If you instead call it "non-user-friendly," expect people to be confused, because that's not what "user-friendly" means.
geofft 8y ago
That may all be true but I'm really unsure what that has to do with user-friendliness in the way described. The argument was an attempt to rebut my claim that Chrome is trying to do the best job possible of rendering pages isn't true because Chrome isn't user-friendly. If their goal is to spy on users and have a dumbed-down UI, isn't it all the more important that pages successfully render, so that the sheeple keep using it?

drb91 8y ago

Well, people have always used bad software; popularity has never been a good metric of quality. Nothing about Chrome protects users from Google. This is a fundamental role of the browser.

geofft 8y ago
That may be true but I'm not sure how that is relevant. Why would a browser not protecting users from Google be positively correlated with a browser not wanting to successfully render pages?