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You're getting downvoted for this because you've painted with an awfully broad brush. I think there's a lot of good work that D&I policies _can_ theoretically d
by yowlingcat 8y ago
You're getting downvoted for this because you've painted with an awfully broad brush. I think there's a lot of good work that D&I policies _can_ theoretically do. But in practice? I've seen them implemented by folks that don't really have the creativity or charisma or gravitas to pull it off because make no mistake, it's challenging, risky, failure prone work. I'm going to keep an open mind to seeing it possibly work, but I haven't really seen it at this point. I don't think it's for ill will -- rather, I think it's simply very, very hard to pull off. I think the devil is in the details.
Let me go to bat for you -- it's possible that D&I policies can actually be used at face value to reproduce the very same systems they sought to eradicate, where folks are selected for positions of power that they fail at simply because of something external to their physical identity. And more to the point, I think it's a little naive and hubristic to believe that you can bureaucratize the problems of bigotry away. Such attempts may create surface level effects, but will fail to address the roots of the problem, which will probably just adopt another more cautious disguise and continue onward.
What's the solution, then? Sadly, I don't think there is an easy one. I am inclined to say the solution is creative destruction. We as an industry and society must move forward as a whole, and show how much more effectively diverse, well run companies can perform if we truly believe it's a superior manner of organizing firms. The presumptions, assumptions, blind spots and biases that cause these problems to occur must simply disappear through the process of that; if they don't, then perhaps it would signal to us that something else is going on.
I may be a bit cynical, but that is exactly what I expect to happen. Human beings are cliquey, tribal creatures. Many will be awful to themselves, their close friends and their family, never mind the coworkers that they actually like. When faced with the sheer difficulty and significance of adequate managing and mentoring employees to help mature, how am I supposed to believe that diversity and inclusion are anything but subsections of that greater whole? In the engineering world, what would a shallow, presumptuous thinker be but a junior employee that needs to grow in order to be trusted with more responsibility? I think D&I needs to be looked at through this pragmatic lens rather than the moralistic, sensationalistic and bureaucratic/disciplinarian lens that it is so often seen through. And sadly, this level of creativity and systems design is outside the amount (and seemingly the capability) of many (but not all) who are tasked with it.
The best way to deal with these problems, rather, is to avoid them in the first place. So long as we live in a world where unfair areas exist, leaders that proactively create ideologically, culturally and physically diverse firms, and instill cultures where racism, sexism and all forms of discrimination are not part of the organizational DNA will thrive over those that attempt (usually in vain) to retrofit it. I think this is the only way forward that I can see. And I do agree with you that treating a person differently based on their race or sex either positively or negatively is ultimately ineffective. The former is patronizing, the latter is oppressing. We deserve better.
- HillaryBriss 8y ago> how much more effectively diverse, well run companies can perform if we truly believe it's a superior manner of organizing firms or even if it isn't. one can make the case that D&I is the top-tier, number one priority even if it reduces corporate efficiency, competitiveness, or profitability
- chillacy 8y agoThat’ll only work if everyone does it, otherwise your competition will drive you out of business. And that includes companies form other countries which may not even have those issues.
- HillaryBriss 8y agoThat is why there are federal laws. I mean look at a history in the US of federal housing anti discrimination laws. A whole raft of laws have been in effect for the last 50 years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_discrimination_law_in_the_United_States#History_of_federal_laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_discrimination_law_... There are still a large number of businesses in operation. Plus, look at it from society's point of view. If we have a situation where corporations are profiting but employment opportunities are unfairly distributed, various political groups in a free society will form to try and change the laws until corporations change their behavior. There will be agitation and unrest. If that goes on long enough, we may end up in a situation where the society, the economy, the government deteriorate.