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No way that in Italy is called schiscetta, I never heard it, maybe it is some dialectal word, for sure it’s not Italian. And I never ever saw everyone bringing

No way that in Italy is called schiscetta, I never heard it, maybe it is some dialectal word, for sure it’s not Italian. And I never ever saw everyone bringing always packed lunch at work in Italy.

xte 8y ago
It's Milan's dialect but commonly used in all north Italy and maybe in many part of the center (I'm Italian)... Of course not everyone bring food from home, especially in big towns where "worker's launch" cost around 9/10 euros, but that's the name I always hear. And it has on many journals recently (so, not only in north Italy) due to a series of litigation between schools and parent that do not want their child to eat school-provided food coming from obscure cooperative society often at the center of many scandal for low quality food and hygiene. Few examples: - https://www.luinonotizie.it/2018/11/07/luino-schiscetta-a-scuola-pronti-ad-eventuali-richieste/200808 https://www.luinonotizie.it/2018/11/07/luino-schiscetta-a-sc... - http://www.oggiscuola.com/web/2017/01/29/la-schiscetta-classe-bambino-costretto-ad-uscire-scuola-pausa-pranzo-polemica/ http://www.oggiscuola.com/web/2017/01/29/la-schiscetta-class... - https://www.tgcom24.mediaset.it/perlei/articoli/1098601/le-regole-d-oro-della-schiscetta-.shtml https://www.tgcom24.mediaset.it/perlei/articoli/1098601/le-r... - https://www.wired.it/lifestyle/food/2016/09/27/schiscetta-scuola-cosi-si-distrugge-la-speranza-mensa-migliore/ https://www.wired.it/lifestyle/food/2016/09/27/schiscetta-sc... - https://d.repubblica.it/attualita/2016/09/16/news/mense_scolastiche_codacons_sentenza_tribunale_pasti_da_casa_miur_esperti-3234538/ https://d.repubblica.it/attualita/2016/09/16/news/mense_scol... - https://www.ilmattino.it/primopiano/cronaca/schiscetta_scuola_comune_non_ci_critica_accordo_presidi_genitori-2205254.html https://www.ilmattino.it/primopiano/cronaca/schiscetta_scuol... This last one is a Naple's journal.
- tigershark 8y ago
  This just testifies the amazing bad state of Italian journalism, it doesn’t make “schiscetta” an Italian word. I am also Italian and I never heard it before today and you can’t find it in Italian dictionaries.
  - xte 8y ago
    Italy is a relative young union of many states that does not exactly speak Italian. How many word you know that coming from some dialect being "Italianized" and even in few dictionary BUT they are only know in few part of Italy? Just an example: - waste. Official italian's worlds for that are "spazzatura" or "rifiuti" however in north Italy we commonly use "rumenta" from Genoas/Ancient Republic dialect. In the center-south and south "monnezza" is the most used term. - posacenere is the most used word for ashtray (ancient portacenere) while in the south nearly anybody use "ceneriera" that coming from spanish "cenicero". - in Tuscany Melone is not the melon like any other region of Italy, is actually mortadella the famous salami and the melon is "popone". And that's Italian, not dialect. - again in tuscany "mesticheria" is what the rest of Italy call drogheria (grocery store) - edicola is the most common word for the place you go to buy newspapers, while in the south is "giornalaio" and sometimes it's used in the center and few north area. In the south edicola is a religious image often sculpted in few ancient houses corners or in church. - the school bag is normally named "zaino" but sometimes also cartella, while in Lombardy and few part of Piedmont is often named mappetta. All of them are Italian world. I can continue for long. Language evolve and sometime a language specked by different people from different origins changes. For instance in Swiss, in Italian cantons "fare i fari" or "lapeggiare" (flashing with car headlights) is "bilux" or "biluxare", order something instead of ordinare/fare un ordine is comandare/fare una comanda, mobile phones instead of "cellulare" are named "natel" (that's even do not sound Italian at all). Etc. The same for French in metropolitan French vs Swiss vs Quebec etc. To really know a language you need to speak it daily with native speaker otherwise you always encounter terms you do not know and even can't find on dictionary or without apparent meaning. Think about English "being at cloud nine", translate it in Italian. It's meaningless. Italian version is "being at seventh sky" that's also meaningless for an English speaker in turn.
    - carlob 8y ago
      Two more school-related examples from Tuscany. The Latin lapis for pencil instead of matita. What do you erase the blackboard with? The correct Italian term is cimosa, but you'd hardly hear it outside Tuscany. I'm also reminded of a discussion I once had with my grandma (a retired Latin teacher from Milan), when she heard someone say a word she claimed was dialect. As it turns out the word coccia comes from the Latin cochlea, which is a snail shell. Even after having taught Latin for 40 years, she didn't know the word... Also seventh sky might not work in English, but seventh heaven works.
luckydata 8y ago
It's Milanese. The problem with generalizing Italian culture is that there's roughly 20 of them in Italy, as many are unaware we're essentially 20 countries squished together hastily 150ish years ago and still working on becoming one.
- xte 8y ago
  That's a curious and a bit off topic phenomenon: in some countries dominant class have tried to form people to create a real country, that's Russian Tsar Peter the Great for instance that create a sort of "Intelligentsia" to create a united country and that's result in Russian October revolution (that's was led in fact by Peter's Intelligentsia not by "proletarians") in Italy we do the opposite and the country is still not really united. In Germany even if there were far less language differences and even if Germany was united "before" people coming from ex-DDR zone still act "as strangers" in the ex-"west Germany" zones. I never really study history in that sense but decoupling parochialism and substantial differences between people's in a country may be an interesting exercise :-)

No way that in Italy is called schiscetta, I never heard it, maybe it is some dialectal word, for sure it’s not Italian. And I never ever saw everyone bringing always packed lunch at work in Italy.

xte 8y ago

It's Milan's dialect but commonly used in all north Italy and maybe in many part of the center (I'm Italian)... Of course not everyone bring food from home, especially in big towns where "worker's launch" cost around 9/10 euros, but that's the name I always hear. And it has on many journals recently (so, not only in north Italy) due to a series of litigation between schools and parent that do not want their child to eat school-provided food coming from obscure cooperative society often at the center of many scandal for low quality food and hygiene. Few examples: - https://www.luinonotizie.it/2018/11/07/luino-schiscetta-a-scuola-pronti-ad-eventuali-richieste/200808 https://www.luinonotizie.it/2018/11/07/luino-schiscetta-a-sc... - http://www.oggiscuola.com/web/2017/01/29/la-schiscetta-classe-bambino-costretto-ad-uscire-scuola-pausa-pranzo-polemica/ http://www.oggiscuola.com/web/2017/01/29/la-schiscetta-class... - https://www.tgcom24.mediaset.it/perlei/articoli/1098601/le-regole-d-oro-della-schiscetta-.shtml https://www.tgcom24.mediaset.it/perlei/articoli/1098601/le-r... - https://www.wired.it/lifestyle/food/2016/09/27/schiscetta-scuola-cosi-si-distrugge-la-speranza-mensa-migliore/ https://www.wired.it/lifestyle/food/2016/09/27/schiscetta-sc... - https://d.repubblica.it/attualita/2016/09/16/news/mense_scolastiche_codacons_sentenza_tribunale_pasti_da_casa_miur_esperti-3234538/ https://d.repubblica.it/attualita/2016/09/16/news/mense_scol... - https://www.ilmattino.it/primopiano/cronaca/schiscetta_scuola_comune_non_ci_critica_accordo_presidi_genitori-2205254.html https://www.ilmattino.it/primopiano/cronaca/schiscetta_scuol... This last one is a Naple's journal.

tigershark 8y ago
This just testifies the amazing bad state of Italian journalism, it doesn’t make “schiscetta” an Italian word. I am also Italian and I never heard it before today and you can’t find it in Italian dictionaries.
- xte 8y ago
  Italy is a relative young union of many states that does not exactly speak Italian. How many word you know that coming from some dialect being "Italianized" and even in few dictionary BUT they are only know in few part of Italy? Just an example: - waste. Official italian's worlds for that are "spazzatura" or "rifiuti" however in north Italy we commonly use "rumenta" from Genoas/Ancient Republic dialect. In the center-south and south "monnezza" is the most used term. - posacenere is the most used word for ashtray (ancient portacenere) while in the south nearly anybody use "ceneriera" that coming from spanish "cenicero". - in Tuscany Melone is not the melon like any other region of Italy, is actually mortadella the famous salami and the melon is "popone". And that's Italian, not dialect. - again in tuscany "mesticheria" is what the rest of Italy call drogheria (grocery store) - edicola is the most common word for the place you go to buy newspapers, while in the south is "giornalaio" and sometimes it's used in the center and few north area. In the south edicola is a religious image often sculpted in few ancient houses corners or in church. - the school bag is normally named "zaino" but sometimes also cartella, while in Lombardy and few part of Piedmont is often named mappetta. All of them are Italian world. I can continue for long. Language evolve and sometime a language specked by different people from different origins changes. For instance in Swiss, in Italian cantons "fare i fari" or "lapeggiare" (flashing with car headlights) is "bilux" or "biluxare", order something instead of ordinare/fare un ordine is comandare/fare una comanda, mobile phones instead of "cellulare" are named "natel" (that's even do not sound Italian at all). Etc. The same for French in metropolitan French vs Swiss vs Quebec etc. To really know a language you need to speak it daily with native speaker otherwise you always encounter terms you do not know and even can't find on dictionary or without apparent meaning. Think about English "being at cloud nine", translate it in Italian. It's meaningless. Italian version is "being at seventh sky" that's also meaningless for an English speaker in turn.
  - carlob 8y ago
    Two more school-related examples from Tuscany. The Latin lapis for pencil instead of matita. What do you erase the blackboard with? The correct Italian term is cimosa, but you'd hardly hear it outside Tuscany. I'm also reminded of a discussion I once had with my grandma (a retired Latin teacher from Milan), when she heard someone say a word she claimed was dialect. As it turns out the word coccia comes from the Latin cochlea, which is a snail shell. Even after having taught Latin for 40 years, she didn't know the word... Also seventh sky might not work in English, but seventh heaven works.

luckydata 8y ago

It's Milanese. The problem with generalizing Italian culture is that there's roughly 20 of them in Italy, as many are unaware we're essentially 20 countries squished together hastily 150ish years ago and still working on becoming one.

xte 8y ago
That's a curious and a bit off topic phenomenon: in some countries dominant class have tried to form people to create a real country, that's Russian Tsar Peter the Great for instance that create a sort of "Intelligentsia" to create a united country and that's result in Russian October revolution (that's was led in fact by Peter's Intelligentsia not by "proletarians") in Italy we do the opposite and the country is still not really united. In Germany even if there were far less language differences and even if Germany was united "before" people coming from ex-DDR zone still act "as strangers" in the ex-"west Germany" zones. I never really study history in that sense but decoupling parochialism and substantial differences between people's in a country may be an interesting exercise :-)