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Google doesn't care, they just want free training data. The team behind uncaptcha even gave them 6 months notice and Google still did nothing their own sites a

Google doesn't care, they just want free training data. The team behind uncaptcha even gave them 6 months notice and Google still did nothing their own sites are protected by additional measures to detect bots like monitoring mouse movement

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jayd16 8y ago
Isn't the text based ReCaptcha pretty ancient at this point? Google's current version is either the simple checkbox (which I assume is checking various things) or the image based version where you have to click on traffic signs. I like to assume that's a live feed from a Waymo car and I'm saving lives.
- anticensor 8y ago
  Obligatory xkcd (crowdsourced steering): https://xkcd.com/1897/ https://xkcd.com/1897/
- darkpuma 8y ago
  > "Isn't the text based ReCaptcha pretty ancient at this point?" That was v1, they shut it down in March 2018. You won't see it anymore anywhere. > "Google's current version is either the simple checkbox (which I assume is checking various things) or the image based version where you have to click on traffic signs." That's v2. v2 will present you with a simple check box if you're very compliant with the google surveillance system, or will present you will image challenges if you're not (or if it's just in the mood.) v2 is very capricious and will reject correct answers from users google wishes to punish for, e.g. using firefox, using adblockers, using resistfingerprinting, blocking google's cookies, etc. The recently released v3 is the worst of them all; it does away with the image challenges of v2 completely. The user never interacts with it directly, never has an opportunity to persuade v3 that they're a real human by answering any sort of questions. It's nothing more than a measure of how compliant you are with google's surveillance.
  - gingerlime 8y ago
    > The recently released v3 is the worst of them all; it does away with the image challenges of v2 completely. The user never interacts with it directly, never has an opportunity to persuade v3 that they're a real human by answering any sort of questions. It's nothing more than a measure of how compliant you are with google's surveillance. I did a very quick experiment with reCAPTCHA v3: * using Firefox in private browsing mode (not logged-in to anything) * with a VPN * using uBlock Origin * Do-Not-Track on, disabling 3rd party trackers * Only went to one page and filled one form with garbage data My score was 0.7, which is pretty decent I would say. I did a similar experiment using Ghost Inspector (a platform for automating browser testing, something similar to Selenium, but not sure what they use exactly), and my scores were consistently 0.1. I'm also a bit suspicious of Google, and have trouble with the fact that this is the only solution on the market, and it's free for websites to use. But I'm not sure your statement is entirely accurate judging from my very limited experience.
    - birksherty 8y ago
      On Firefox, if disable 3rd party cookie, it never accepts my correct answer. I have to fight 5 minutes with google to prove that I am human. Same when I use vpn. Allow 3rd party, logged in to google account, no vpn and just one check. Edit: If try to use audio challenge in the first case, it directly tells me that I am using some method to solve captcha and they won't allow it. So much fun. Google is evil.
      - gingerlime 8y ago
        I was talking about reCAPTCHA v3, which doesn't present any challenges at all. It lets the site owner decide what to do based on the score.
        birksherty 8y ago
        I think nothing appears if my score is above google's (because they decides my mark in the end) pass mark. If not recaptcha appears which is what happens to me and I go through the same process.

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jayd16 8y ago

Isn't the text based ReCaptcha pretty ancient at this point? Google's current version is either the simple checkbox (which I assume is checking various things) or the image based version where you have to click on traffic signs. I like to assume that's a live feed from a Waymo car and I'm saving lives.

anticensor 8y ago
Obligatory xkcd (crowdsourced steering): https://xkcd.com/1897/ https://xkcd.com/1897/
darkpuma 8y ago
> "Isn't the text based ReCaptcha pretty ancient at this point?" That was v1, they shut it down in March 2018. You won't see it anymore anywhere. > "Google's current version is either the simple checkbox (which I assume is checking various things) or the image based version where you have to click on traffic signs." That's v2. v2 will present you with a simple check box if you're very compliant with the google surveillance system, or will present you will image challenges if you're not (or if it's just in the mood.) v2 is very capricious and will reject correct answers from users google wishes to punish for, e.g. using firefox, using adblockers, using resistfingerprinting, blocking google's cookies, etc. The recently released v3 is the worst of them all; it does away with the image challenges of v2 completely. The user never interacts with it directly, never has an opportunity to persuade v3 that they're a real human by answering any sort of questions. It's nothing more than a measure of how compliant you are with google's surveillance.
- gingerlime 8y ago
  > The recently released v3 is the worst of them all; it does away with the image challenges of v2 completely. The user never interacts with it directly, never has an opportunity to persuade v3 that they're a real human by answering any sort of questions. It's nothing more than a measure of how compliant you are with google's surveillance. I did a very quick experiment with reCAPTCHA v3: * using Firefox in private browsing mode (not logged-in to anything) * with a VPN * using uBlock Origin * Do-Not-Track on, disabling 3rd party trackers * Only went to one page and filled one form with garbage data My score was 0.7, which is pretty decent I would say. I did a similar experiment using Ghost Inspector (a platform for automating browser testing, something similar to Selenium, but not sure what they use exactly), and my scores were consistently 0.1. I'm also a bit suspicious of Google, and have trouble with the fact that this is the only solution on the market, and it's free for websites to use. But I'm not sure your statement is entirely accurate judging from my very limited experience.
  - birksherty 8y ago
    On Firefox, if disable 3rd party cookie, it never accepts my correct answer. I have to fight 5 minutes with google to prove that I am human. Same when I use vpn. Allow 3rd party, logged in to google account, no vpn and just one check. Edit: If try to use audio challenge in the first case, it directly tells me that I am using some method to solve captcha and they won't allow it. So much fun. Google is evil.
    - gingerlime 8y ago
      I was talking about reCAPTCHA v3, which doesn't present any challenges at all. It lets the site owner decide what to do based on the score.
      - birksherty 8y ago
        I think nothing appears if my score is above google's (because they decides my mark in the end) pass mark. If not recaptcha appears which is what happens to me and I go through the same process.