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In this diagram: https://i.imgur.com/0Smz0Nk.png https://i.imgur.com/0Smz0Nk.png Legal right on red is contributing to the behavior of the car driving east and

In this diagram: https://i.imgur.com/0Smz0Nk.png https://i.imgur.com/0Smz0Nk.png Legal right on red is contributing to the behavior of the car driving east and turning south (who hasn't noticed they now have a green light), as well as the the car driving north and turning east (who's LOS is blocked by a truck, SUV, small van with tinted windows, etc. and is pushing that far up so they can see left enough to spot a gap which they can use to turn right on red)

chrisseaton 8y ago
That's crazy. They should just stop everything, full-stop, for pedestrians to cross. Every red light in this situation has a get-out clause, and no green light can be trusted.
- waits 8y ago
  Nearly all intersections in the US are like this. Note that cars must stop before turning right on a red, so it’s not a total free-for-all. The stopping forces them to yield to pedestrians most of the time.
  - MaulingMonkey 8y ago
    And to be fair, if these drivers were all properly following the law as written, the problems would be far fewer. It's not uncommon to have stop lines farther back from the crosswalks for middle lanes to help improve visibility for the right lane - but even the ones that aren't worn down are often ignored by inattentive drivers. You're supposed to fully stop before the crosswalk even when turning right, but many drivers turning right don't fully stop at all - and are at best planning to stop with the crosswalk blocked. You're not supposed to speed up when you see a yellow light. All these things are ticketable offenses, in theory. Between lax enforcement, lax punishments, lax driver education, and driving while texting, sleepy, high, or just plain drunk... well, I usually don't encounter problems from all 4 directions when crossing a street, but 1 or 2 is pretty common. I feel decently safe crossing, but only because I keep my head on a paranoid swivel. Occasionally I have to kinda hang out in the middle of the crosswalk for a few seconds while I wait for some idiots who failed to yield, and I'll throw up my hands in pantomimed exasperation...

chrisseaton 8y ago

That's crazy. They should just stop everything, full-stop, for pedestrians to cross. Every red light in this situation has a get-out clause, and no green light can be trusted.

waits 8y ago
Nearly all intersections in the US are like this. Note that cars must stop before turning right on a red, so it’s not a total free-for-all. The stopping forces them to yield to pedestrians most of the time.
- MaulingMonkey 8y ago
  And to be fair, if these drivers were all properly following the law as written, the problems would be far fewer. It's not uncommon to have stop lines farther back from the crosswalks for middle lanes to help improve visibility for the right lane - but even the ones that aren't worn down are often ignored by inattentive drivers. You're supposed to fully stop before the crosswalk even when turning right, but many drivers turning right don't fully stop at all - and are at best planning to stop with the crosswalk blocked. You're not supposed to speed up when you see a yellow light. All these things are ticketable offenses, in theory. Between lax enforcement, lax punishments, lax driver education, and driving while texting, sleepy, high, or just plain drunk... well, I usually don't encounter problems from all 4 directions when crossing a street, but 1 or 2 is pretty common. I feel decently safe crossing, but only because I keep my head on a paranoid swivel. Occasionally I have to kinda hang out in the middle of the crosswalk for a few seconds while I wait for some idiots who failed to yield, and I'll throw up my hands in pantomimed exasperation...