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So, their navigation subsystem can limit the cruise-control speed before an off-ramp/lane change/whatever? That's nice, but it's a gimmick. It's not meaningful

So, their navigation subsystem can limit the cruise-control speed before an off-ramp/lane change/whatever? That's nice, but it's a gimmick. It's not meaningful driver assistance, let alone self-driving. Meanwhile, the newest Audi top-of-the-line car (already sporting one of the most advanced feature sets when it comes to driver assistance) will reportedly be able to "drive" itself in very slow-going, very heavy traffic, even if the driver momentarily stops paying attention. That's at least as good as what Tesla will be able to do in the same timeframe.

ChikkaChiChi 8y ago
Except Teslas do it at any speed or traffic conditions. I would advise you to sample one before drawing conclusions.
- zozbot123 8y ago
  Teslas do what, exactly? As far as EAP goes, you're supposed to pay attention at all times - the system is not able to make up for even momentary distraction. This is where Audi is claiming to be able to do at least slightly better, in highly selective/favorable conditions. FSD is its own thing that's still far in the future, so I'm not sure how sensible it is to bring it up here.
ec109685 8y ago
What are you saying? Tesla does just fine in traffic, you hit a button on the steering wheel every minute or so to show you are paying attention to the road and that’s it. You are still looking at the road, the readout showing the mapping of what it sees to the real world. Tesla’s do great in traffic.
- zozbot123 8y ago
  The whole point of this discussion is that "Oh, it does great in practice" is a highly misleading metric - it tells us nothing about how the system might 'fail' in a worst-case scenario. That's the whole point of having these "levels" - and Tesla is still not claiming anything higher than Level-2 for their existing EAP.
  - ec109685 8y ago
    Right, so you still sit in the driver seat watching the road. Still beats switching back and forth between gas and break, and constantly holding the wheel.

ChikkaChiChi 8y ago

Except Teslas do it at any speed or traffic conditions. I would advise you to sample one before drawing conclusions.

zozbot123 8y ago
Teslas do what, exactly? As far as EAP goes, you're supposed to pay attention at all times - the system is not able to make up for even momentary distraction. This is where Audi is claiming to be able to do at least slightly better, in highly selective/favorable conditions. FSD is its own thing that's still far in the future, so I'm not sure how sensible it is to bring it up here.

ec109685 8y ago

What are you saying? Tesla does just fine in traffic, you hit a button on the steering wheel every minute or so to show you are paying attention to the road and that’s it. You are still looking at the road, the readout showing the mapping of what it sees to the real world. Tesla’s do great in traffic.

zozbot123 8y ago
The whole point of this discussion is that "Oh, it does great in practice" is a highly misleading metric - it tells us nothing about how the system might 'fail' in a worst-case scenario. That's the whole point of having these "levels" - and Tesla is still not claiming anything higher than Level-2 for their existing EAP.
- ec109685 8y ago
  Right, so you still sit in the driver seat watching the road. Still beats switching back and forth between gas and break, and constantly holding the wheel.