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> How is it difficult to get someone to install something for a test run when like 90% of app installs are test runs? As I said in my previous post I'm clearly

> How is it difficult to get someone to install something for a test run when like 90% of app installs are test runs? As I said in my previous post I'm clearly missing something here. Why are those mutually exclusive at all? You're saying that most installations are test runs. That implies people are leery about leaving an app they don't want installed. Why does that mean that it's somehow easy to get users to install in the first place? It sounds like they don't want a bunch of apps installed. > So you're saying it's difficult to get someone to install your app at all, and that has nothing to do with your product or your marketing, but it has something to do with the technology? No? When did I say your product or marketing were unrelated to install rate? > And the PWA experience of pinning things to your home screen, which we have absolutely no reason to believe is widely done, is a better option? When did I make that claim? > I'd like to see you try and support OPs claim rather than argue about my comment. Why does disagreeing with you mean I support the OP? Whether or not I support PWAs, native applications, both, neither, or even "native" wrappers around a PWA is irrelevant. My stance is that your statistics don't disprove the claim made, and to then claim that the OP is arguing from a point of ignorance is not okay.

jklinger410 8y ago
>As I said in my previous post I'm clearly missing something here. Why are those mutually exclusive at all? If it was hard to get people to test drive your app, then 90% of app installs would not be test runs. They would be one time permanent installs. >It sounds like they don't want a bunch of apps installed. It also sounds like people are constantly trying new apps, no? Precisely what OP said people do not like to do. >No? When did I say your product or marketing were unrelated to install rate? Again, OPs claim was that somehow PWAs would be a preferable medium to app installs. This implies that the medium is the problem, which I am saying is not the case. "The reason people aren't downloading my app is because it's in the app store instead of being a PWA" is essentially the claim. >Whether or not I support PWAs...is irrelevant. My stance is that your statistics don't disprove the claim made, and to then claim that the OP is arguing from a point of ignorance is not okay. I think we both know that I could scour the internet and find 1,000 articles filled with statistics showing that people are constantly installing and uninstalling apps, and I would find almost none showing PWAs being successful in a business case. I'm not going to apologize for being incredulous about unsubstantiated conjecture that I have only ever seen proof of the opposite for.
- jlokier 8y ago
  >If it was hard to get people to test drive your app, then 90% of app installs would not be test runs. They would be one time permanent installs. That doesn't logically follow. Consider the possibility: Only 1 in 1000 of people who learn about your app is persuaded to install it. And then, of the small number who install it, 90% of those uninstall after 10 minutes. I've exaggerated the numbers to make the point. The point is it can be hard to get people to test drive your app and also have most installs be test runs. They are not mutually exclusive.
- reificator 8y ago
  > If it was hard to get people to test drive your app, then 90% of app installs would not be test runs. They would be one time permanent installs. I think you and I have opposite understandings of the same data. You're looking at a high abandon rate after installation and claiming that it represents an increase in customers going out to find apps. I don't think there's any substantive evidence of this. You have evidence showing that customers have a strict filter on what they keep on their phones. Why does a tightening of one stage of the pipeline have anything to do with a loosening at a previous stage? There aren't a fixed number of installations that stick, uninstalling an application does not mean the customer will go right back out and install something else. > I think we both know that I could scour the internet and find 1,000 articles filled with statistics showing that people are constantly installing and uninstalling apps That people uninstall most apps they eventually do install does not imply a regular stream of new installations.

jklinger410 8y ago

>As I said in my previous post I'm clearly missing something here. Why are those mutually exclusive at all? If it was hard to get people to test drive your app, then 90% of app installs would not be test runs. They would be one time permanent installs. >It sounds like they don't want a bunch of apps installed. It also sounds like people are constantly trying new apps, no? Precisely what OP said people do not like to do. >No? When did I say your product or marketing were unrelated to install rate? Again, OPs claim was that somehow PWAs would be a preferable medium to app installs. This implies that the medium is the problem, which I am saying is not the case. "The reason people aren't downloading my app is because it's in the app store instead of being a PWA" is essentially the claim. >Whether or not I support PWAs...is irrelevant. My stance is that your statistics don't disprove the claim made, and to then claim that the OP is arguing from a point of ignorance is not okay. I think we both know that I could scour the internet and find 1,000 articles filled with statistics showing that people are constantly installing and uninstalling apps, and I would find almost none showing PWAs being successful in a business case. I'm not going to apologize for being incredulous about unsubstantiated conjecture that I have only ever seen proof of the opposite for.

jlokier 8y ago
>If it was hard to get people to test drive your app, then 90% of app installs would not be test runs. They would be one time permanent installs. That doesn't logically follow. Consider the possibility: Only 1 in 1000 of people who learn about your app is persuaded to install it. And then, of the small number who install it, 90% of those uninstall after 10 minutes. I've exaggerated the numbers to make the point. The point is it can be hard to get people to test drive your app and also have most installs be test runs. They are not mutually exclusive.
reificator 8y ago
> If it was hard to get people to test drive your app, then 90% of app installs would not be test runs. They would be one time permanent installs. I think you and I have opposite understandings of the same data. You're looking at a high abandon rate after installation and claiming that it represents an increase in customers going out to find apps. I don't think there's any substantive evidence of this. You have evidence showing that customers have a strict filter on what they keep on their phones. Why does a tightening of one stage of the pipeline have anything to do with a loosening at a previous stage? There aren't a fixed number of installations that stick, uninstalling an application does not mean the customer will go right back out and install something else. > I think we both know that I could scour the internet and find 1,000 articles filled with statistics showing that people are constantly installing and uninstalling apps That people uninstall most apps they eventually do install does not imply a regular stream of new installations.