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What kind of filtering is that? The fact that there is (hopefully) no malware? - A browser should prevent that as well and has similar failure rate as app revie

What kind of filtering is that? The fact that there is (hopefully) no malware? - A browser should prevent that as well and has similar failure rate as app review. The app store doesn't tell me anything about whether it's useful or of high quality or anything. From my perspective many apps are single tab browsers with additional spying capabilities.

sgt 8y ago
For one, you have a chance of actually finding quality native apps. Web apps are not completely optimal no matter how you try to sell it. I have nothing specifically against hybrid or web apps (they have their place), but speaking from personal experience I've had most luck with apps that were (1) native (2) cost a few pennies. I say this wearing the consumer or end-user hat. As a developer, I also prefer writing native apps (iOS and Swift), but I certainly understand the occasional disadvantages here too. This is in fact why I'm also developing a Flutter app at the moment - we needed a cross platform MVP but there's too little time and resources to develop for both platforms. But given enough time and resources (e.g. post MVP) I'd mostly go native.
- jdietrich 8y ago
  >For one, you have a chance of actually finding quality native apps. Really? I can't recall ever finding a useful app through the app store. It's so littered with junk apps and deceptive copycats that discovery is a miserable experience.
  - leadingthenet 8y ago
    Seriously?! Check out Things 3, Overcast, or Timepage (and Actions) by Moleskine. You don’t recall EVER finding a useful app?
    - mkl 8y ago
      If we follow your suggestions we're finding apps through third-party recommendations, not through an app store. I have found useful apps through a store, but it does often involve sifting through a lot of misleading junk.
    - jdietrich 8y ago
      I can't recall ever finding a useful app through the app store. There are plenty of useful apps on my phone, but I discovered them through Google or personal recommendations. The comment that sparked this whole thread was "The major advantage of the App Store (primarily for consumer apps though) is the fact that there's some kind of filtering at place". I don't think that's true - I think that the app stores are so littered with junk and offer so little curation that finding something on an app store is a fool's errand. From a developer's perspective, I don't think that a native app offers any advantages in terms of discoverability or onboarding. The app stores are full of polished, well-designed apps with incredibly low download counts. A native app might be stickier than a web app, it might offer a better user experience in some cases, but installation presents a natural obstacle to previewing and sharing. I think that developing for the web should be the default choice unless you have a compelling justification for going native.
- sbov 8y ago
  So you've found a quality apps by only finding it via the app store? It just sounds odd to me because I literally never have. The only way I've found them is by researching it on the web beforehand.
  - wasdfff 8y ago
    The top apps are still more or less the same staples as 5 years ago. While it’s harder to find a new excellent app, it still serves as a good introductory guide of what most people are going out of their way to install on their phones.
  - sgt 8y ago
    I've find apps through the App Store app and the web, or magazines etc. Even word of mouth. That's pretty common. You're taken through the App Store at some point to download the app though.
- johannes1234321 8y ago
  It is true that a native app can have a value due to integration into the system. However many apps aren't really good and built using cross platform toolkits as doing development two times for the two major platforms is expensive ... There are good and worthwhile apps, but it's low

sgt 8y ago

For one, you have a chance of actually finding quality native apps. Web apps are not completely optimal no matter how you try to sell it. I have nothing specifically against hybrid or web apps (they have their place), but speaking from personal experience I've had most luck with apps that were (1) native (2) cost a few pennies. I say this wearing the consumer or end-user hat. As a developer, I also prefer writing native apps (iOS and Swift), but I certainly understand the occasional disadvantages here too. This is in fact why I'm also developing a Flutter app at the moment - we needed a cross platform MVP but there's too little time and resources to develop for both platforms. But given enough time and resources (e.g. post MVP) I'd mostly go native.

jdietrich 8y ago
>For one, you have a chance of actually finding quality native apps. Really? I can't recall ever finding a useful app through the app store. It's so littered with junk apps and deceptive copycats that discovery is a miserable experience.
- leadingthenet 8y ago
  Seriously?! Check out Things 3, Overcast, or Timepage (and Actions) by Moleskine. You don’t recall EVER finding a useful app?
  - mkl 8y ago
    If we follow your suggestions we're finding apps through third-party recommendations, not through an app store. I have found useful apps through a store, but it does often involve sifting through a lot of misleading junk.
  - jdietrich 8y ago
    I can't recall ever finding a useful app through the app store. There are plenty of useful apps on my phone, but I discovered them through Google or personal recommendations. The comment that sparked this whole thread was "The major advantage of the App Store (primarily for consumer apps though) is the fact that there's some kind of filtering at place". I don't think that's true - I think that the app stores are so littered with junk and offer so little curation that finding something on an app store is a fool's errand. From a developer's perspective, I don't think that a native app offers any advantages in terms of discoverability or onboarding. The app stores are full of polished, well-designed apps with incredibly low download counts. A native app might be stickier than a web app, it might offer a better user experience in some cases, but installation presents a natural obstacle to previewing and sharing. I think that developing for the web should be the default choice unless you have a compelling justification for going native.
sbov 8y ago
So you've found a quality apps by only finding it via the app store? It just sounds odd to me because I literally never have. The only way I've found them is by researching it on the web beforehand.
- wasdfff 8y ago
  The top apps are still more or less the same staples as 5 years ago. While it’s harder to find a new excellent app, it still serves as a good introductory guide of what most people are going out of their way to install on their phones.
- sgt 8y ago
  I've find apps through the App Store app and the web, or magazines etc. Even word of mouth. That's pretty common. You're taken through the App Store at some point to download the app though.
johannes1234321 8y ago
It is true that a native app can have a value due to integration into the system. However many apps aren't really good and built using cross platform toolkits as doing development two times for the two major platforms is expensive ... There are good and worthwhile apps, but it's low