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>if they like your app they can add it to their device home screen without installing via the app store and without using up space on their device As far as I'

>if they like your app they can add it to their device home screen without installing via the app store and without using up space on their device As far as I'm concerned, until evidence to the contrary is provided, most people either don't do this or know how. Relying on a pinned app for smart phones is a good way to kill your startup. >you're going to be hard pressed to get people to install your app just to try it out In fact, the statistics prove[1] that this is false. Most app installs are to try it out, and promptly delete it. Most users will delete your app shortly after installing it. Informed opinions are nice to share, uninformed ones not so much. [1]https://www.emarketer.com/content/most-apps-get-deleted-within-a-week https://www.emarketer.com/content/most-apps-get-deleted-with...

ryancodes 8y ago
> Most users will delete your app shortly after installing it. Which is why it is so crucial to focus on the core utility of the app. If the app is fun to use, great. But the apps that stick around provide services that are essential to the user.
reificator 8y ago
> >you're going to be hard pressed to get people to install your app just to try it out > In fact, the statistics prove[1] that this is false. Most app installs are to try it out, and promptly delete it. Most users will delete your app shortly after installing it. I'm really not following how this disproves what was being said. They were saying it's difficult to get people to even install for a test run, and you're saying most installs are test runs. There's nothing mutually exclusive about those two statements. > Informed opinions are nice to share, uninformed ones not so much. What a pompous response to make when you're not actually falsifying anything in their post.
- jklinger410 8y ago
  >They were saying it's difficult to get people to even install for a test run How is it difficult to get someone to install something for a test run when like 90% of app installs are test runs? So you're saying it's difficult to get someone to install your app at all, and that has nothing to do with your product or your marketing, but it has something to do with the technology? And the PWA experience of pinning things to your home screen, which we have absolutely no reason to believe is widely done, is a better option? There are 200 billion some odd app installs per year (primarily for test runs), there are ??? mobile PWA app home screen pins per year. I'd like to see you try and support OPs claim rather than argue about my comment.
  - nytopop 8y ago
    > How is it difficult to get someone to install something for a test run when like 90% of app installs are test runs? The link you shared does not provide any statistics about the amount of installs relative to didn't-installs. It only deals with the set of people who have already installed, which says nothing to prove or disprove the point in contention (that increasing the set of people who have installed at all is difficult). > So you're saying it's difficult to get someone to install your app at all Yes [they are]. > and that has nothing to do with your product or your marketing, but it has something to do with the technology? Based only on what they wrote, not necessarily. They only seem to be saying that the statistics you provided do not support your conclusion: >> you're going to be hard pressed to get people to install your app just to try it out > In fact, the statistics prove[1] that this is false. Most app installs are to try it out, and promptly delete it. Most users will delete your app shortly after installing it.
    - reificator 8y ago
      Ah, if I had seen you post this before I did, I wouldn't have bothered to post my own. Thank you for summing it up so succinctly and respectfully.
    - jklinger410 8y ago
      To recap. The claim is that PWAs are preferable to apps because "people don't test drive apps." In fact, people test drive apps as a rule, and none of them install PWAs. I have shown a 2 second googled piece of evidence showing the degree to which people test drive apps. No evidence to support the ease of use or frequency of PWA homescreen pins exists/has been provided. I'm going to stop responding to this thread unless your comment contains a substantive argument supporting OP.
      - reificator 8y ago
        > To recap. The claim is that PWAs are preferable to apps because "people don't test drive apps." Ah. Now I see where the confusion lies. I don't think that's what the OP was saying. > Given the fact that most people are already maxed out on apps on their device with just things like facebook and youtube, you're going to be hard pressed to get people to install your app just to try it out. No one in this thread is claiming that people who install apps don't test drive them. Your evidence proves that they do, and no one has challenged or disagreed with that evidence. The claim is not related to how often people who download an app test it out and delete it soon after. You're focused on the wrong detail. The claim is that they aren't even downloading apps to test them in the first place. > I'm going to stop responding to this thread unless your comment contains a substantive argument supporting OP. The OP is the only one arguing OP's perspective right now. Everyone else is just trying to get you to understand what the OP is actually saying rather than what you claim they're saying. Let's try an analogy: > Millennials are increasingly choosing not to eat at casual dining chains such as Applebees. Responding to that by saying that Applebees is the most popular casual dining chain by a given metric does not disprove this claim. Whether people choose Applebees more often than Chilis has nothing to do with the fact that they're both losing millennial customers.
Raphael 8y ago
I wonder what would happen if you provided instructions for pinning a web app on popular platforms. Would users ignore this new information? Many websites in the past have provided instructions for bookmarking.

ryancodes 8y ago

> Most users will delete your app shortly after installing it. Which is why it is so crucial to focus on the core utility of the app. If the app is fun to use, great. But the apps that stick around provide services that are essential to the user.

reificator 8y ago

> >you're going to be hard pressed to get people to install your app just to try it out > In fact, the statistics prove[1] that this is false. Most app installs are to try it out, and promptly delete it. Most users will delete your app shortly after installing it. I'm really not following how this disproves what was being said. They were saying it's difficult to get people to even install for a test run, and you're saying most installs are test runs. There's nothing mutually exclusive about those two statements. > Informed opinions are nice to share, uninformed ones not so much. What a pompous response to make when you're not actually falsifying anything in their post.

jklinger410 8y ago
>They were saying it's difficult to get people to even install for a test run How is it difficult to get someone to install something for a test run when like 90% of app installs are test runs? So you're saying it's difficult to get someone to install your app at all, and that has nothing to do with your product or your marketing, but it has something to do with the technology? And the PWA experience of pinning things to your home screen, which we have absolutely no reason to believe is widely done, is a better option? There are 200 billion some odd app installs per year (primarily for test runs), there are ??? mobile PWA app home screen pins per year. I'd like to see you try and support OPs claim rather than argue about my comment.
- nytopop 8y ago
  > How is it difficult to get someone to install something for a test run when like 90% of app installs are test runs? The link you shared does not provide any statistics about the amount of installs relative to didn't-installs. It only deals with the set of people who have already installed, which says nothing to prove or disprove the point in contention (that increasing the set of people who have installed at all is difficult). > So you're saying it's difficult to get someone to install your app at all Yes [they are]. > and that has nothing to do with your product or your marketing, but it has something to do with the technology? Based only on what they wrote, not necessarily. They only seem to be saying that the statistics you provided do not support your conclusion: >> you're going to be hard pressed to get people to install your app just to try it out > In fact, the statistics prove[1] that this is false. Most app installs are to try it out, and promptly delete it. Most users will delete your app shortly after installing it.
  - reificator 8y ago
    Ah, if I had seen you post this before I did, I wouldn't have bothered to post my own. Thank you for summing it up so succinctly and respectfully.
  - jklinger410 8y ago
    To recap. The claim is that PWAs are preferable to apps because "people don't test drive apps." In fact, people test drive apps as a rule, and none of them install PWAs. I have shown a 2 second googled piece of evidence showing the degree to which people test drive apps. No evidence to support the ease of use or frequency of PWA homescreen pins exists/has been provided. I'm going to stop responding to this thread unless your comment contains a substantive argument supporting OP.
    - reificator 8y ago
      > To recap. The claim is that PWAs are preferable to apps because "people don't test drive apps." Ah. Now I see where the confusion lies. I don't think that's what the OP was saying. > Given the fact that most people are already maxed out on apps on their device with just things like facebook and youtube, you're going to be hard pressed to get people to install your app just to try it out. No one in this thread is claiming that people who install apps don't test drive them. Your evidence proves that they do, and no one has challenged or disagreed with that evidence. The claim is not related to how often people who download an app test it out and delete it soon after. You're focused on the wrong detail. The claim is that they aren't even downloading apps to test them in the first place. > I'm going to stop responding to this thread unless your comment contains a substantive argument supporting OP. The OP is the only one arguing OP's perspective right now. Everyone else is just trying to get you to understand what the OP is actually saying rather than what you claim they're saying. Let's try an analogy: > Millennials are increasingly choosing not to eat at casual dining chains such as Applebees. Responding to that by saying that Applebees is the most popular casual dining chain by a given metric does not disprove this claim. Whether people choose Applebees more often than Chilis has nothing to do with the fact that they're both losing millennial customers.

Raphael 8y ago

I wonder what would happen if you provided instructions for pinning a web app on popular platforms. Would users ignore this new information? Many websites in the past have provided instructions for bookmarking.