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That's peanuts compared to amount of money Nokia put into the platform.

by edderly 16y ago

pavlov 16y ago
Indeed. 22M € is not a lot of money compared to ongoing handset development tracks within Nokia that will keep the market flooded with Symbian devices for the next few years, even if nobody particularly wants them in 2012. (Nokia has recently introduced new devices with Symbian S60 3rd Edition -- that was their cutting-edge smartphone OS in 2006! They run a slow-moving ship...) By the way, the EU-funded Symbian-centric research project is aimed at embedded devices. I don't think it will produce anything that benefits handsets much... Some research kids in Eindhoven and Helsinki will manage to load Symbian onto some kitchen gadget, connect it to a vacuum cleaner over Bluetooth, and the result will be presented as "Euro-Home 3.0: Vision of an interconnected domicile" at some Symbian conference in 2015. Everyone involved will be pleased with such concrete outcome from this ambitiously forward-looking international research project.
- jacquesm 16y ago
  > Everyone involved will be pleased with such concrete outcome from this ambitiously forward-looking international research project. How I wished you weren't 100% spot on with that.
  - stygianguest 16y ago
    Well, at least we will end up with a few kids that can build such a thing. If it's spend on education it isn't all wasted. I worry more about the part that is spent on administrative meetings in Brussels.
bjelkeman-again 16y ago
It may well not be that much money. But why should the EU put in money there? Imagine it in the hands of a Y-Cominator type fund aimed at embedded OS development instead. Of course, I know that is beyond the current funding apparatus which sits on this type of money in the EU, but maybe it is time we change that.
- edderly 16y ago
  That's a different argument, you imply that Symbian will be around because of that finance. I've pointed out this is not the case. To put this in perspective a commonly known metric is that when Nokia paid 264M Euros for Symbian that, that value was the cost of two years worth of phone releases (dev. cost wise). On this argument I suppose it depends if you automatically dislike "big guv'munt" and resent the funding, think it could be done different or for some reason think Symbian is a bad focus for this cash. Who knows.
  - bjelkeman-again 16y ago
    I primarily think it is a bad focus for this type of cash. You say it is not worth much for Symbian, in light of other money spent on it. So why give it the money then? If you spent the same amount of money on other embedded software efforts, where 22M Euro would be a lot, then I predict you would get a lot more value for money. I don't resent big government money as such being spent on technology, but this seems badly placed. Who in their right mind would start developing new embedded systems on Symbian today? (I am by no means an embedded OS expert, but talking to my friends who develop on mobile phones, Symbian is decidedly long in the tooth these days. I can't see that it will be that much better as an embedded system. Also, see enjo's comment below on developing in Symbian.)

That's peanuts compared to amount of money Nokia put into the platform.

by edderly 16y ago

That's peanuts compared to amount of money Nokia put into the platform.

Indeed. 22M € is not a lot of money compared to ongoing handset development tracks within Nokia that will keep the market flooded with Symbian devices for the next few years, even if nobody particularly wants them in 2012. (Nokia has recently introduced new devices with Symbian S60 3rd Edition -- that was their cutting-edge smartphone OS in 2006! They run a slow-moving ship...) By the way, the EU-funded Symbian-centric research project is aimed at embedded devices. I don't think it will produce anything that benefits handsets much... Some research kids in Eindhoven and Helsinki will manage to load Symbian onto some kitchen gadget, connect it to a vacuum cleaner over Bluetooth, and the result will be presented as "Euro-Home 3.0: Vision of an interconnected domicile" at some Symbian conference in 2015. Everyone involved will be pleased with such concrete outcome from this ambitiously forward-looking international research project.

jacquesm 16y ago
> Everyone involved will be pleased with such concrete outcome from this ambitiously forward-looking international research project. How I wished you weren't 100% spot on with that.
- stygianguest 16y ago
  Well, at least we will end up with a few kids that can build such a thing. If it's spend on education it isn't all wasted. I worry more about the part that is spent on administrative meetings in Brussels.

bjelkeman-again 16y ago

It may well not be that much money. But why should the EU put in money there? Imagine it in the hands of a Y-Cominator type fund aimed at embedded OS development instead. Of course, I know that is beyond the current funding apparatus which sits on this type of money in the EU, but maybe it is time we change that.

edderly 16y ago
That's a different argument, you imply that Symbian will be around because of that finance. I've pointed out this is not the case. To put this in perspective a commonly known metric is that when Nokia paid 264M Euros for Symbian that, that value was the cost of two years worth of phone releases (dev. cost wise). On this argument I suppose it depends if you automatically dislike "big guv'munt" and resent the funding, think it could be done different or for some reason think Symbian is a bad focus for this cash. Who knows.
- bjelkeman-again 16y ago
  I primarily think it is a bad focus for this type of cash. You say it is not worth much for Symbian, in light of other money spent on it. So why give it the money then? If you spent the same amount of money on other embedded software efforts, where 22M Euro would be a lot, then I predict you would get a lot more value for money. I don't resent big government money as such being spent on technology, but this seems badly placed. Who in their right mind would start developing new embedded systems on Symbian today? (I am by no means an embedded OS expert, but talking to my friends who develop on mobile phones, Symbian is decidedly long in the tooth these days. I can't see that it will be that much better as an embedded system. Also, see enjo's comment below on developing in Symbian.)