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I honestly don't know if the woman in paymoneywubby's video is trafficked or not, but there were a lot of red flags that made me really uncomfortable when combi

by umvi 8y ago

I honestly don't know if the woman in paymoneywubby's video is trafficked or not, but there were a lot of red flags that made me really uncomfortable when combined: - Frequency and quantity of the uploads indicated she was doing these videos more than full-time - No verbal interaction other than an occasional glare at cameraman - Vietnam, not (say) America or Europe I'd like to give the benefit of the doubt, but something makes me deeply uncomfortable about it.

docker_up 8y ago
This is deeply racist. Just because she's Vietnamese and not white, your unconscious bias suggests to you that she's a victim of human trafficking?
- jki275 8y ago
  No, it's not. Southeast Asian, specifically Filipino, Thai, and Vietnamese women are the most commonly trafficked ethnic group worldwide.
  - docker_up 8y ago
    You're wrong. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/06/a-fascinating-map-of-the-worst-countries-for-modern-slavery/277037/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/06/a-...
    - jki275 8y ago
      That article doesn't address the discussion. First, it's five years old, and second it's talking about something that is somewhat different. I might also note that I lived in southeast Asia for many years. There's a huge amount of trafficking that isn't being reported to the Atlantic website or the US State department there.
      - docker_up 8y ago
        So, you have nothing to base your assertions on except for anecdotes and your own self-confidence in being right? I referred to a documented and researched article, and you dismiss it without any evidence?
        dang 8y ago
        Would you please not post in the flamewar style to HN? If you'd review the guidelines at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and follow them, we'd appreciate it. This one is particularly relevant: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."
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- umvi 8y ago
  I wasn't really thinking of race when I considered Vietnam as a red flag, though I suppose it could be taken that way. In America I generally trust that the FBI will have no mercy when cracking down on human trafficking. I also trust that the vast majority of sex workers are legit, consenting people who consciously chose to do it. I don't know much about Vietnam, but I am guessing police/FBI-esque corruption is much higher than America/Europe which is why I would also guess that this accounts for the larger percentage of sex workers there that are trafficked.
  - docker_up 8y ago
    Your entire explanation is exactly what unconscious bias is. You look at Asians as "others" without knowing anything about their situation, automatically assume that the corruption is worse in Asian countries than "white" countries, even though there is immense amount of force prostitution and human trafficking in the US and Europe. I'm not attacking you but just pointing out that this is truly the definition of unconscious bias.
    - neetdeth 8y ago
      According to the Corruption Perceptions Index, at least, GP is exactly correct. Maybe it’s not unconscious bias so much as a general awareness of world affairs? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index
    - earenndil 8y ago
      Prostitution is much more prevalent in vietnam than in the us. So I'm inclined to think there's a chance this could be a 'legit' operation.
- burgerboy 8y ago
  Looooooooooooooool
- iheartpotatoes 8y ago
  I love it when trolls try to pretend to understand Social Justice. It's like me trying to jump in to a thread about brain surgery (note: I am not a brain surgeon).
- darkpuma 8y ago
  > "Just because she's Vietnamese and not white" How can you say "just because"? Several other reasons were plainly listed?

by umvi 8y ago

docker_up 8y ago

This is deeply racist. Just because she's Vietnamese and not white, your unconscious bias suggests to you that she's a victim of human trafficking?

jki275 8y ago
No, it's not. Southeast Asian, specifically Filipino, Thai, and Vietnamese women are the most commonly trafficked ethnic group worldwide.
- docker_up 8y ago
  You're wrong. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/06/a-fascinating-map-of-the-worst-countries-for-modern-slavery/277037/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/06/a-...
  - jki275 8y ago
    That article doesn't address the discussion. First, it's five years old, and second it's talking about something that is somewhat different. I might also note that I lived in southeast Asia for many years. There's a huge amount of trafficking that isn't being reported to the Atlantic website or the US State department there.
    - docker_up 8y ago
      So, you have nothing to base your assertions on except for anecdotes and your own self-confidence in being right? I referred to a documented and researched article, and you dismiss it without any evidence?
      - dang 8y ago
        Would you please not post in the flamewar style to HN? If you'd review the guidelines at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and follow them, we'd appreciate it. This one is particularly relevant: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."
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umvi 8y ago
I wasn't really thinking of race when I considered Vietnam as a red flag, though I suppose it could be taken that way. In America I generally trust that the FBI will have no mercy when cracking down on human trafficking. I also trust that the vast majority of sex workers are legit, consenting people who consciously chose to do it. I don't know much about Vietnam, but I am guessing police/FBI-esque corruption is much higher than America/Europe which is why I would also guess that this accounts for the larger percentage of sex workers there that are trafficked.
- docker_up 8y ago
  Your entire explanation is exactly what unconscious bias is. You look at Asians as "others" without knowing anything about their situation, automatically assume that the corruption is worse in Asian countries than "white" countries, even though there is immense amount of force prostitution and human trafficking in the US and Europe. I'm not attacking you but just pointing out that this is truly the definition of unconscious bias.
  - neetdeth 8y ago
    According to the Corruption Perceptions Index, at least, GP is exactly correct. Maybe it’s not unconscious bias so much as a general awareness of world affairs? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index
  - earenndil 8y ago
    Prostitution is much more prevalent in vietnam than in the us. So I'm inclined to think there's a chance this could be a 'legit' operation.
burgerboy 8y ago
Looooooooooooooool
iheartpotatoes 8y ago
I love it when trolls try to pretend to understand Social Justice. It's like me trying to jump in to a thread about brain surgery (note: I am not a brain surgeon).
darkpuma 8y ago
> "Just because she's Vietnamese and not white" How can you say "just because"? Several other reasons were plainly listed?