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It's worth noting the age of RISC-V, according to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISC-V https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISC-V) it originated as a 'shor

It's worth noting the age of RISC-V, according to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISC-V https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISC-V) it originated as a 'short, three-month project over the summer' in 2010. So ~8 and a bit years old. It's taken a while to really take-off but now it does really seem to be picking up momentum. Though no serious use in production hardware that I'm aware of. Perhaps a good comparison point is LLVM. It too originated as an academic project. Again looking at Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LLVM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LLVM) it started development in 2000, first release 2003, Lattner hired by Apple to develop it 2005, Clang released by Apple 2007 (so ~7 years from initial LLVM creation to serious production use potentially less depends when Apple were using it internally).

jesse_m 8y ago
I do believe Western Digital is going to start shipping their products with RISC-V processors soon
bunnycorn 8y ago
You can't really compare hardware with software. It's just a question of opportunity for change. RISC-V while take on when there's a reason to not use ARM and if it's better than the competition (eg: MIPS).
- monocasa 8y ago
  > RISC-V while take on when there's a reason to not use ARM and if it's better than the competition (eg: MIPS). No licensing fees.
  - bunnycorn 8y ago
    But your company will need to pay more in R&D to develop the cores. Most companies license ARM cores, not the ISA.
    - monocasa 8y ago
      Not really, the foundries are on the cusp of fully validating rocket cores on the various processes, and you can just include them in your design like you would a Cortex-M or Cortex-R. They've recognized that 3-5 stage classic RISC cores are a commodity market now, and it's in their best interest to make it as easy as possible to add to your design. Above those simple cores, we should expect to see more and more RISC-V cores hit the same level of "just drop it in for no licensing, already validated, the pieces like register files are already optimized for the process". BOOM is ~Cortex-A9 perf/gatecount/IPC, which puts it into greater than RPi territory (usable, but not really out crazy). There's still work to be done on the higher end still, albeit, but it's not like you can just go out and licence the highest perf ARM cores anyway (those are Apple's). ARM has an existential threat, IMO.
nickik 8y ago
Yes, but the important part was once RISC-V left the university. That's when its rise actually started for real. https://community.cadence.com/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-blogs-components-weblogfiles/00-00-00-01-06/riscv-_2D00_-1.jpg https://community.cadence.com/cfs-file/__key/communityserver... So I agree, it takes 7 years. RISC-V is already in production in many places by now.

jesse_m 8y ago

I do believe Western Digital is going to start shipping their products with RISC-V processors soon

bunnycorn 8y ago

You can't really compare hardware with software. It's just a question of opportunity for change. RISC-V while take on when there's a reason to not use ARM and if it's better than the competition (eg: MIPS).

monocasa 8y ago
> RISC-V while take on when there's a reason to not use ARM and if it's better than the competition (eg: MIPS). No licensing fees.
- bunnycorn 8y ago
  But your company will need to pay more in R&D to develop the cores. Most companies license ARM cores, not the ISA.
  - monocasa 8y ago
    Not really, the foundries are on the cusp of fully validating rocket cores on the various processes, and you can just include them in your design like you would a Cortex-M or Cortex-R. They've recognized that 3-5 stage classic RISC cores are a commodity market now, and it's in their best interest to make it as easy as possible to add to your design. Above those simple cores, we should expect to see more and more RISC-V cores hit the same level of "just drop it in for no licensing, already validated, the pieces like register files are already optimized for the process". BOOM is ~Cortex-A9 perf/gatecount/IPC, which puts it into greater than RPi territory (usable, but not really out crazy). There's still work to be done on the higher end still, albeit, but it's not like you can just go out and licence the highest perf ARM cores anyway (those are Apple's). ARM has an existential threat, IMO.

nickik 8y ago

Yes, but the important part was once RISC-V left the university. That's when its rise actually started for real. https://community.cadence.com/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-blogs-components-weblogfiles/00-00-00-01-06/riscv-_2D00_-1.jpg https://community.cadence.com/cfs-file/__key/communityserver... So I agree, it takes 7 years. RISC-V is already in production in many places by now.