4 ms·

I'm not sure if this is satire or nonsense. > ...women (and men) who feel their roles as front end devs are considered less... > I didn't see it as a gendered

by rovek 8y ago

I'm not sure if this is satire or nonsense. > ...women (and men) who feel their roles as front end devs are considered less... > I didn't see it as a gendered issue until it was brought to my attention by female co-workers... Female co-workers bringing an issue to your attention doesn't make it a gendered issue and you literally refer to it as a non-gendered issue, though parenthesising men. As a full-stack JS dev, having come from a .NET background, through a pure frontend job, to a full-stack position, I regularly have to shoulder banter from Scala colleagues' (both male and female) snark at Javascript - primarily because it's existed for a long time and been a barely justifiable mess for most of that time.

watwut 8y ago
If however only or predominately females encounter attitude and males dont, then it is likely gendered issue. And vice versa. People tend to assume that I do frontend and try tu push me toward ui design side of things, despite me being completely crappy at that. It was real problem only once, normally I can easily negotiate different position. But, it requires me to often explain that I really cant design - I dont have to explain I dont do any other technology to avoid position, ever. People dont assume me to know sql, databases, server, java, but they do tend to assume me to be good at design.
- rovek 8y ago
  > If however only or predominately females encounter attitude and males dont, then it is likely gendered issue. And vice versa. Every frontend dev I've ever worked with has received this same treatment, so I would find it difficult to believe it's even predominantly females; but maybe I've met a lot of exceptions.
  - watwut 8y ago
    Oh, I absolutely know that frontend is undervalued. I am even one of those who undervalued it too. But, I am not even frontend developer and get the assumption that I am one. When I was nearby frontend, people made further assumptions about which part of it I do - they expected me to do aesthetic work altrough I am really bad at it and were sometimes oddly awkward when I wanted to talk about architecture or algorithms. I don't think male frontend developers are not undervalued, but the assumption about which part of it they do is on average a bit different.
- yakshaving_jgt 8y ago
  > If however only or predominately females encounter attitude and males dont, then it is likely gendered issue. And vice versa. Or it's a False Cause. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause

by rovek 8y ago

watwut 8y ago

If however only or predominately females encounter attitude and males dont, then it is likely gendered issue. And vice versa. People tend to assume that I do frontend and try tu push me toward ui design side of things, despite me being completely crappy at that. It was real problem only once, normally I can easily negotiate different position. But, it requires me to often explain that I really cant design - I dont have to explain I dont do any other technology to avoid position, ever. People dont assume me to know sql, databases, server, java, but they do tend to assume me to be good at design.

rovek 8y ago
> If however only or predominately females encounter attitude and males dont, then it is likely gendered issue. And vice versa. Every frontend dev I've ever worked with has received this same treatment, so I would find it difficult to believe it's even predominantly females; but maybe I've met a lot of exceptions.
- watwut 8y ago
  Oh, I absolutely know that frontend is undervalued. I am even one of those who undervalued it too. But, I am not even frontend developer and get the assumption that I am one. When I was nearby frontend, people made further assumptions about which part of it I do - they expected me to do aesthetic work altrough I am really bad at it and were sometimes oddly awkward when I wanted to talk about architecture or algorithms. I don't think male frontend developers are not undervalued, but the assumption about which part of it they do is on average a bit different.
yakshaving_jgt 8y ago
> If however only or predominately females encounter attitude and males dont, then it is likely gendered issue. And vice versa. Or it's a False Cause. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause